80's foreman vs prime tyson

Even if it is a marginal advantage it is one and strength h

There is a world of difference in the form of a long retirement and lack of experience George had already beaten ATG hall of farmers and become champion of the world how does he lack in experience at all?
Ten years of retirement doesn't make hundreds of rounds of experience invalid he needed to blow the dust off his gloves hence the journeyman that's all its not like he needed to learn to keep his hands up my man.

You're telling me the difference in chin is marginal? See both of them fight Evander for comparison George was floored against a demonic puncher in the form of Lyle and still got up and claimed his scalp how many fights has Tyson got up to win?
That answers the chin and heart no?

Some extra for thought
George was beaten like a drum against Micheal at forty five and still won with his heart chin and power his only assests left to carry him.

Tommy Morrison for God sake the man Ray Mercer attributed as the man who hit him hardest was shrugged off like Rain water the entire fight with George playing the aggressor the entire time.

Style don't kid me my man you don't think George wouldn't Enjoy fighting an aggressive fighter with no retreat in him?

Weight is weight muscle or fat its more mass behind punches.

"Probably hit harder"....
That was dumb to say all who fought both disagree with that it's clearly not marginal George TKO'd this granite chinned felloe named Chuvalo and a legend named Joe Fraizer Tyson "TKO'd" Razor Ruddock...

"Possibly stronger"
....Are you dense? See prime Evander be manhandled like a child against Foreman then look at Tyson be manhandled by post prime Evander...
If you don't think strength has its uses you have only ever sat ringside cleary.

I remember a time when Tyson was consideed unbeatable till a journeyman left him picking his mouth guard up off the floor.

 

Cool post. It's true, weight behind a punch is weight behind a punch, as long as the puncher is bending at the waist and knees and punching through the punchee. More muscles mean more force, but not necessarily added leverage. Most fighters that are bulked out (like Holyfield and to a lesser degree Joshua) end up with punches that have more upper body on them rather than full weight, as the muscles can trick a fighter into thinking he's punching harder than he really is. Watch the typical, very nice, Holy left hook...watch especially his legs. It's the placement, velocity, timing, and accuracy of the punch, FAR more than its power, that made it so effective. For a great study, watch the difference between Bowe and Holy I: Bowe most often stepped into his punches (granted, at times to a negatively lunging degree). Holy did so too, just not as often. As many trainers put it, the muscles got in the way. Michael Spinks, too. Watch the way MS threw his power punches in the light-heavies (no weights) as opposed to against Larry (plenty of weights).

Also, heavier muscles means faster fatigue, and (as Holyfield stated), stretching is mandatory when weight training, as exercises for the chest can fool a fighter's muscle memory into looping punches.

Another point your post made helped me decide one thing: post-80s George was a better fighter, significantly so. Pre-80s George might have been knocked all over the ring ala Lyle (shoot, he was half knocked around there by Qawi fer Christ's sake)...or worse, because Mike Tyson was about a hundred times the fighter Ron was.

I had the biggest chip on my shoulder in regard to Mike's heart when I first came here. These days after reading some of the intelligent posts here and rewatching the fights I concluded that, though he didn't have a Holyfield or Holmes heart, he most frickin' certainly had heart. Even if you just take his courageous fight against Lewis (where he was pretty much beat after the first round)..that's a man who has heart. And that's forgetting the bravery of his mouthpiece/Douglas, taking some ugly shots by Ruddock, etc.

 

That was a sloppy performance by George.

He came in at about 235lbs which was his lightest weight in his comeback and he said he felt slow and lethargic afterwards. I could be wrong but I doin't think he came in that light ever again. I'm not sure if George could've beaten a Bowe or Tyson in his comeback but the version that faced Holyfield or splattered Cooney was a lot better than the slow, disinterested guy that went through the motions with Qawi.

 

Completely agree. I do think the George of the Moorer fight would have stopped the Bowe of the Golota fight, as well as the Tyson of the Holy fight.

The Foreman of the 80s was about as righteous a contender as the Larry who fought Tyson imo. And I think a Mike fight would have turned out similarly, though George might have not made it even three rounds.

Keep in mind folks, I hated writing the last sentence, as I love George way more than Mike (George is in fact second only to Larry as my favorite fighter). I just have waaay more respect and regard for the 80s Mike since I joined this forum, indeed, more respect for his entire career (until you know when).

 

I don't doubt Tysons heart but George's was greater their should be no doubt in my books I'm also glad you liked my post!

 

As stated above I think Tyson would be spent against George I believe he wins this but it's not a knockout or an easy fight this isn't a frightened Spinks he's facing this is a legendary pug who isn't outside any respectable top ten heavyweights list it wouldn't be shocking for Tyson to be KO'd either.

 

I think all one has to do is watch both the Lyle and Holy fights to see the heart George truly had. Then watch Holy vs. Mike Tyson (both times)...

 

Indeed.

 

I think a surprise knockout wouldn't be a total surprise during ANY of Big George's incarnations. He was the classic example of "you can never be certain what's going to happen in a heavyweight fight" cubed.

That said, I was delightedly shocked when he ko'd Moorer, much less beat him. After that I went by the credo delineated above.

 

A toast to Georges right hand!

 

Let's not forget the hook and uppercut (I doubt Frazier ever did)

 

Saint Primo! How could I be so daft?

 

George Foreman is and was at the time, pastor of a church in Texas. Mike Tyson would have put the Right Reverend on the sick and shut in prayer list.

 

It was 17 unanswered punches but I don't think anyone on the face of the Earth could have taken 17 unanswered punches from Tyson and still be standing. Not at all.

 

Tyson also put Thomas down for the count while a very washed up Thomas ate clean, flush punches from prime Riddick Bowe and Holyfield. He also stood up to punches from Mike Weaver.

Tyson stopped the very durable Trevor Berbick in 2.