80's heavy's vs. 70's heavy's

Loewe · Sep 22, 2008

Mendoza said:

The 80's were as bad as today with a peak Tyson and a peak Holmes? I dunno about that, but turn the tables like you said in another thread, how would the 2000's do if they were on drugs, lacked determination, and the desire to become great?

Or do the 1930's only get that type of pass because they were starving and the conditions were tougher?
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The thing is, drugs, lack of determination and desire to be great are personal decisions you make but you can´t influence the conditions of your time. That´s a difference.

Well, Tyson and holmes obviously boost the 80s but Holmes wasn´t peak in the 80s, at least not for long and if you take those two away there is not more substance than now.

JohnThomas1 · Sep 22, 2008

Loewe said:

You are repeating that without giving a prove or an indication at any time.
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No, he said the steak isn't as good or something similar in one of his first posts over here.

Actually it was addressed to you.....below

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The dipper - When in my youthful years ... i thought the old time boxers were weaker,the whole story of atheletics ,the Olympics ect tell people that they are faster ,stronger,ect(the myth is boosted by performancing enhancing drugs) but It does not work in boxing !

Look at the food we eat,???

Do you think M Spinks ate the same quality of steak as Gene Tunney ?

There is your answer

Loewe · Sep 22, 2008

JohnThomas1 said:

No, he said the steak isn't as good or something similar in one of his first posts over here.

Actually it was addressed to you.....below

The dipper - When in my youthful years ... i thought the old time boxers were weaker,the whole story of atheletics ,the Olympics ect tell people that they are faster ,stronger,ect(the myth is boosted by performancing enhancing drugs) but It does not work in boxing !

Look at the food we eat,???

Do you think M Spinks ate the same quality of steak as Gene Tunney ?

There is your answer
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Ah, I even read that then. Well, that´s definitly a well reasoned oppinion.

The Phenom · Sep 22, 2008

Canibus81 said:

Most people will say the 70's because it was considered the golden era. In terms of great matchups, you can make that case but in terms of talent, I'd go with the 80's. They were bigger, more athletic and better ametuer credentials.

And lets not even look at Tyson, cause had he not exsisted there would of been more legends from the 80's in terms of accomplishments. Tyson didn't get the credit because he made good fighters look ordinary and was only until he split with Rooney and became a one dimensional fighter(less head movement, rapid fire combo's missing, less use of the jab, and less bodywork) when people wrote him off and said he was never that good cause he didn't achieve much in his later career. I tend to believe(from what i've seen) that it was the split with rooney and lack of disipline(along with his 4 yr. exile) in his later career why his career went downhill.

If we take the Tyson in his later career without rooney, Tucker, Thomas, Tubbs(a lot like douglas fight) and maybe Spinks beats Mike. Jimmy Young was probably the best boxer from the 70's and when he went against the larger more athletic 80's heavy's, he couldn't compete. I think most people would say the 70's heavy's were better, but when you look deeper into it, it looks little different when analizing.

Holmes had trouble with the likes of witherspoon and berbick and he fought them when they were green. He never fought Pinklon, who beat a prime Witherspoon. Frazier and Norton never fought each other either, which would of been a good fight. The 80's heavyweights weren't as Disiplined and when crack/cocaine hit hard in the 80's most became addicts towards the twilight of their careers. One things for sure, everyone came in shape back than when they fought Tyson and not only was it a big prize to become the first one to beat him but fear of leaving in a stretcher.

80's heavy's:
Tucker
Thomas
Spinks
Tubbs
Witherspoon
Weaver
Bonecrusher
Bruno
Green
Tillis
Biggs
Douglas
Ribilta
Tyson
Greg Page
Berbick
Cooney

70's

Ali
Frazier
Lyle
Young
Foreman
Quarry
Wepner
Norton
Bonovena
Chuvalo
Shavers
Peralta
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no Larry Holmes

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