88 TYSON v. 93 HOLYFIELD - Who Wins? - 15 rounds

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  1. streetsaresafer

    streetsaresafer Member Full Member

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    Mike Tyson (88 Spinks fight) v. Evander Holyfield (93 Bowe fight)


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    Who Wins? 15 round fight

    For the record, my last poll between these two was a fight between them in 1991. On the General Boxing Forum, Tyson won that poll by 1 vote, 57-56. On the Classic Forum, Holyfield won the poll by 6 votes, 30 to 24. So had they fought in 91 it appears it would have been a pick em' fight.

    Now who takes a fight between the Holyfield of the 2nd Bowe fight and the Tyson of the Spinks fight?

    My take

    Owning and having watched nearly every heavyweight fight these 2 fighters have been in leads me to the conclusion that I can't say with any real certainty what would happen. Both were truly great in their primes.

    TYSON

    Strengths
    Incredible combination of speed and power
    Devastating combination puncher
    Defensively was well schooled via Cus D'Amato's peek a boo
    style most notably seen with Tyson bobbing and weaving
    Deadly at mid range
    Great chin
    Had no problem going the distance
    Kevin Rooney in the corner meant Tyson was well prepared to
    deliver punches with bad intentions

    Weaknesses
    Clinches - Tyson even in his prime let too many fighters clinch
    him and was typically not aggressive in punching his way out of a
    clinch
    Was still somewhat open to getting hit when coming in
    What happens if he has to fight backwards?
    Mental fortitude? - How does a prime Tyson deal with the
    pressure fighting an ATG like the Real Deal who was not intimidated

    HOLYFIELD

    Strengths
    Offensively as gifted a fighter as there was in many ways
    He had every punch - great left hook (which was arguably even
    better to the body), effective jab, good right hand,
    uppercuts came naturally, you name the punch and Holyfield had it
    in his arsenal
    Combination Puncher - Evander was one of the best
    Counter Punching - One of the best counter punchers in the
    history of the division, Tyson himself called Holyfield the best one
    he'd seen
    Granite Chin - Took blows from Foreman, Bowe, Mercer, 96 Tyson,
    Lewis, and more - Commander Vander could take a punch
    Conditioning - Evander was almost always in top shape, and had
    no problems going 12 rounds (he went 15 with Qawi)
    Experience? - Had gone through the 1st Bowe fight and thus was
    more prepared to box and execute a gameplan rather than slug it
    out (not sure I agree with this one but some do think so)

    Weaknesses
    Power - Holy did not possess big punching power like a Tyson or
    Lewis, if Holyfield knocked someone out it was typically through
    attrition - overall Holyfiled's punching power was respectable
    though (KO'd Tyson and Dokes, knocked down Mercer and Bowe)
    Tendency to War - Holyfield could be pulled into a war (though I
    think this is overstated some as I think a prime Holyfield could box
    and execute a gameplan - see how he 'boxed' Douglas, Foreman,
    and Bowe the 2nd time)
    Bert Cooper - Holyfield was knocked down by Cooper so while Holy
    had one of the best chins ever, he could be knocked down,
    and thus a fighter as talented as Iron Mike certainly had the tools
    to stop the Real Deal
    Can be hit - Evander was no Ali in there avoiding punishment
    Size - Evander was not blessed with great size

    Prediction - Holyfield 15th round KO

    This would be an amazing fight. Tyson would be fairly dominant in the opening rounds landing early and often, staggering Holyfield by the 3rd round. Tyson's right hands and body work in particular score the most. Despite this, Holyfield would weather the first 5 rounds, and eventually start to take control of the fight with his counter punching. Evander would also frustrate Mike some by pushing him back at times and at other times tying him up. Tyson would bob and weave significantly less once the fight goes past the 5th round and thus Iron Mike would get easier to hit. Holyfield also starts to time Tyson more and hits him with greater regularity. The fight is still close by the championship rounds. By the 15th, Tyson is exhausted from the Real Deal's continual pressure and counterpunching. Tyson can't seem to break Holyfield's will. Finally, halfway into the 15th and final round a blistering combination from Holyfield punctuated by a picture perfect left hook puts Tyson on the canvas and out.

    Thoughts? Who do you think would take this bout?

    I suspect Tyson will win 2/3 of the vote on the General Forum, and 55 percent of the vote on the Classic Forum (based on the fact that the voting in the 91 fight was almost dead even)

    Who wins between 88 Tyson and 93 Holyfield?
     
  2. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I used to say Tyson would beat Holy by UD, due to cleaner punches but the more I see young Tyson fights, I am beomcing convinced that Holyfield beats him, even during his prime.
     
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  3. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, but Marciano - Frazier or Hagler - Toney fight would prolly be more exciting for me.
     
  4. dave

    dave Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson was a monster when he was with his original team and was too much for most fighters, Holyfield my have won but not like he did after Tyson left the fold.
     
  5. streetsaresafer

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  6. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Holyfield would have simply been run over by Tyson, he was too big too strong for that version of Holyfield. Tyson KO 3
     
  7. lefthook31

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    Tyson wasnt a front runner in 88. He always came out strong, but the in shape focused Tyson of 88 could easily go 12 with Holyfield, and carried his speed and power into the later rounds. Can you imagine the Holyfield that fought Foreman fighting Tyson of 88. One exchange and Holyfield would be badly hurt.
    You cant even compare the fight of 96 to what would have happened in 88, both fighters fought much differently with Tyson being a "real" fighter at that time.
     
  8. box03

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    Tyson was a icon in 88 I dont see holyfield winning this one I see tyson knocking him out in the 8th holyfield will get tired as stamina was his biggest problem during his career and from trying to ward of tysons vicious attack it would only be a matter of time before tyson finishes him
     
  9. lefthook31

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    I agree. I think Holyfield would have fought galantly, but he always got sloppier and sloppier as the fight progressed when he was younger. He looked for the brawl, and I just dont think he would have been able to stand up to a three punch combination from Tyson.
     
  10. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Prime Tyson would KO any version of Holyfield.
     
  11. Wilhelm

    Wilhelm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield was a much better boxer than anyone Tyson ever faced. He'd have beaten Tyson then as he did in their two fights later on.
     
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  12. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson cannot be effective after 6 round.
    Either Tyson KO within 4 or Tyson DQ between 5-7 or Holyfield TKO after 7.
     
  13. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with your scenario if Holyfield gets past five but I don't think it happens. He is simply too easy to hit and Tyson had too much speed and power
     
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  15. Boxfan1

    Boxfan1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson would have ko'd Holyfied because back in 88, Tyson threw more body blows than head shots. He was also very defensive and trained to avoid getting hit. He would have crumpled Holyfield over sometime in the 5th round. Holyfield has never been good at taking body punches. By the time Foreman realized that, it was too late in his fight, and he was too slow to consistently target the mid section of the real deal. Toney knew it, and went after his body early.