88 TYSON v. 93 HOLYFIELD - Who Wins? - 15 rounds

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  1. streetsaresafer

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    88 TYSON (Spinks fight) v. 93 HOLYFIELD (2nd Bowe fight)

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    Who Wins? 15 round fight

    For the record, my last poll between these two was a fight between them in 1991. On the General Boxing Forum, Tyson won that poll by 1 vote, 57-56. On the Classic Forum, Holyfield won the poll by 6 votes, 30 to 24. So had they fought in 91 it appears it would have been a pick em' fight.

    Now who takes a fight between the Holyfield of the 2nd Bowe fight and the Tyson of the Spinks fight?

    My take

    Owning and having watched nearly every heavyweight fight these 2 fighters have been in leads me to the conclusion that I can't say with any real certainty what would happen. Both were truly great in their primes.

    TYSON

    Strengths
    Incredible combination of speed and power
    Devastating combination puncher

    Defensively was well schooled via Cus D'Amato's peek a boo
    style most notably seen with Tyson bobbing and weaving
    Deadly at mid range
    Great chin
    Had no problem going the distance
    Kevin Rooney in the corner meant Tyson was well prepared to
    deliver punches with bad intentions

    Weaknesses
    Clinches
    - Tyson even in his prime let too many fighters clinch
    him and was typically not aggressive in punching his way out of a
    clinch
    Was still somewhat open to getting hit when coming in
    What happens if he has to fight backwards?
    Mental fortitude?
    - How does a prime Tyson deal with the
    pressure fighting an ATG like the Real Deal who was not intimidated

    HOLYFIELD

    Strengths
    Offensively
    as gifted a fighter as there was in many ways
    He had every punch - great left hook (which was arguably even
    better to the body), effective jab, good right hand,
    uppercuts came naturally, you name the punch and Holyfield had it
    in his arsenal
    Combination Puncher - Evander was one of the best
    Counter Punching - One of the best counter punchers in the
    history of the division, Tyson himself called Holyfield the best one
    he'd seen
    Granite Chin - Took blows from Foreman, Bowe, Mercer, 96 Tyson,
    Lewis, and more - Commander Vander could take a punch
    Conditioning - Evander was almost always in top shape, and had
    no problems going 12 rounds (he went 15 with Qawi)
    Experience? - Had gone through the 1st Bowe fight and thus was
    more prepared to box and execute a gameplan rather than slug it
    out (not sure I agree with this one but some do think so)

    Weaknesses
    Power
    - Holy did not possess big punching power like a Tyson or
    Lewis, if Holyfield knocked someone out it was typically through
    attrition - overall Holyfiled's punching power was respectable
    though (KO'd Tyson and Dokes, knocked down Mercer and Bowe)
    Tendency to War - Holyfield could be pulled into a war (though I
    think this is overstated some as I think a prime Holyfield could box
    and execute a gameplan - see how he 'boxed' Douglas, Foreman,
    and Bowe the 2nd time)
    Bert Cooper - Holyfield was knocked down by Cooper so while Holy
    had one of the best chins ever, he could be knocked down,
    and thus a fighter as talented as Iron Mike certainly had the tools
    to stop the Real Deal
    Can be hit - Evander was no Ali in there avoiding punishment
    Size - Evander was not blessed with great size

    Prediction - Holyfield 15th round KO

    This would be an amazing fight. Tyson would be fairly dominant in the opening rounds landing early and often, staggering Holyfield by the 3rd round. Tyson's right hands and body work in particular score the most. Despite this, Holyfield would weather the first 5 rounds, and eventually start to take control of the fight with his counter punching. Evander would also frustrate Mike some by pushing him back at times and at other times tying him up. Tyson would bob and weave significantly less once the fight goes past the 5th round and thus Iron Mike would get easier to hit. Holyfield also starts to time Tyson more and hits him with greater regularity. The fight is still close by the championship rounds. By the 15th, Tyson is exhausted from the Real Deal's continual pressure and counterpunching. Tyson can't seem to break Holyfield's will. Finally, halfway into the 15th and final round a blistering combination from Holyfield punctuated by a picture perfect left hook puts Tyson on the canvas and out.

    Thoughts? Who do you think would take this bout?

    I suspect Tyson will win 2/3 of the vote on the General Forum, and 55 percent of the vote on the Classic Forum (based on the fact that the voting in the 91 fight was almost dead even)

    Who wins between 88 Tyson and 93 Holyfield?
     
  2. fists of fury

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    I'd pick Tyson in this one, mainly because he was a formidable beast at the peak of his powers.
    Physical attributes aside, his aura of invincibilty had yet to be shattered, his confidence was sky high, and he still had Jacobs and Rooney with him. He really came into his own during 1988, where he was at his absolute best.

    The 93 version of Holyfield by contrast, was lacking in the ring savvy, experience and physical strength of the later model which tackled Riddick Bowe a second and third time and later beat Tyson.

    Holyfield was still very good in '93 of course and possibly at his physical peak, aside from the fact that he was still a relatively small 208. I'm just not convinced he had the discipline then to NOT engage in a slugging match with Tyson and I don't think he had the strength to dominate him in the clinches like he was able to do years later.

    Still, no easy fight for Tyson. Any version of Evander would give a peak Tyson trouble. Back in '88 though, Mike was still hungry and without all the mental and emotional baggage of the '96 version which Holyfield eventually fought.
    In '88 he still had the discipline and persistence to keep going and maintain the intensity even when things did not always go according to plan (See Tucker fight.)

    I think it would have been pretty much a war while it lasted, but I think Tyson would end it within 5 rounds.
     
  3. bigd

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    holyfield in a complete mismatch. it would be worse than thier other two fights. holyfield in a lopsided 4 rounds as tyson would be brutely kod in round 4.
     
  4. fists of fury

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    A fanastic and well thought out post, I'm mostly in agreement 'cept for the brief point I've highlighted. I could see this one going to the scorecards most likely a close, but clear UD/SD in Tysons favour (perhaps a late stoppage victory for Tyson, due to accumulation). Holyfield always gives Tyson a hellish fight, however his slug happy tendancy at this stage could well eventually tell when up against a peak '88 Tyson.

    Incidently, I think Holyfield (without question!) has Tysons number- at any stage post 1990 onwards ... :good
     
  6. fists of fury

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    Thank you and I agree on your assesment post 1990.
     
  7. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Tyson of the Spinks fight beats Holyfield. Whether by decision or by knockout, he beats Holyfield.
     
  8. bigG

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    calling mike tyson...calling mike tyson........hello...hi mike, its evander holyfield, iv got your number................wide ud or late rounds stoppage for evander.....
     
  9. josak

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    I think stylistically, Holyfield is a bad matchup for Mike. But then again, Holyfield fought a version of Mike that was no where close to the one in 88'. I'd have to give Mike the nod on this one, because I just can't see him losing at his peak except to maybe a few ATG fighters like Ali and Foreman. Holyfield would have certainly been his toughest fight at that point, but I think Mike would ultimately win via KO.
     
  10. ripcity

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    Tyson with in six rounds. This isn't 1996. Holyfield would be to eger to engage Tyson. Tyson would make Holyfield miss and counter him.
     
  11. Muchmoore

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    Tyson is able to outwork Holyfield and stop him in the mid rounds or win by close but clear UD. Holyfield wasn't as strong as he was in 96 and Tyson was much better in 88 than 96.
     
  12. natedog

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    Holyfield wins if he can make it out alive in rounds 1-3. Most likely, Holyfield would score a close UD or late stoppage, due to his determination, conditioning, and heart. Tyson, whether it be a prime version or not, always faded in the later rounds because his style requires a lot of energy. Would Tyson be able to dispatch Holyfield in the first half of the fight, or would Holyfield win down the stretch? Thats the million dollar question.
     
  13. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I used to think Tyson, back before they were going to fight in the 80s/pre-90, but now, after all of what I've seen, no, I have to admit, Holy was just too damn tough for him. Evander would have taken it and dished it back, and eventually would have won out just like he did. Evander didn't hit as hard, but he was faster, more skilled, better defense and chin, better condition, better mental toughness. Tyson would spectacularly KO many more guys than Evander, and look better in more fights, like Foreman to Ali, but head to head, I think Evander wins every time.
     
  14. natedog

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    I think Tyson was far more talented in every aspect, but Holyfield had to earn everything. Unlike Tyson, Holyfield always had something to prove. He was more inspired, and inspiration goes a long way. He had more of a reason to fight, while Tyson had more reason to lose. Complacency, along with the lack of a support system, led to Tyson's demise.
     
  15. fists of fury

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    That's actually a nice way of looking at it and you make a good point. It doesn't change my opinion, but nonetheless a refreshing way of looking at Holyfield v Tyson.