88 years ago today!!!

Sorry to hear that Abdullah.
You are right what you say. At times i maybe didnt appreciate my mother.(not that shes perfect by any stretch,pain in the arse at times!) But,you only get one,and nobody in the world is gonna love you like your momma or dadda.
As i am now a father,trust me,there is nothing i wouldnt do for my boy...
And now i appreciate what a parent feels.
You know what your mum and dad really feel about you when you become a parent.
ps; im not encouraging you to sow your oats to make this happen by the way!!! Thats a whole other episode from DR enquirer.
Man,i sound like Oprah!!!

 

Yes,im from sunny England.
To me personally,Parental/family love is the single greatest value to aspire to. To me its the only truely 'sacred' thing....

 

Ok
Tunney thought he could win this with pure boxing.Greb showed him there are more ways of killing a cat than feeding it on cream.
In the opening round he butted Tunney, breaking his nose ,and, half closing one eye, he continued to foul the whole fight, using the laces along with his head and many ,many border line blows that weakened the stylist Tunney.In their subsequent fights Tunney learned to step in with short punches to the heart and stomach that took some of the steam out of Greb, plus Harry was slowing down, and Tunney was growing into his physique. But, in their initial encounter Tunney had no answer to the dynamic onslaught that Greb inflicted on him.
Classic left leads were negated by Grebs bobbing and weaving charges and his terrific pace ,his endurance was superhuman ,he started quickly and accelerated,,as the fight progressed.
The last rounds were torture for Tunney , he bled copiously from facial damage, and,only the fact that Greb moved so fast, he did not set himself by planting his feet, to deliver real ko punches,allowed Tunney to finish on his feet ,he fainted in his dressing room and spent a week in bed, his torso covered with green/yellow contusions, from the body punishment.
This fight should have been the finish of the ex Marine, instead it was the rite of passage, that confirmed him into a gutsy , ballsy fighter who, immediately he was walking aound again requested a return with Greb.

 

Very well stated Mcvey...Harry greb in 1922 was at the twilight of his career [so many fights],while the bigger rising Tunney's career was on the rise...Gene Tunney had tremendous resolve and courage, to survive that terrible beating he accrued in MSG in 1922...Who knows to what fistic heights Tunney would have attained in 1928, if he hadn't retired ?.

 

Thanks Burt .

 

Horse****. This is propaganda put forth by a minority of ringsiders who had an interest in the hometown boy. Most ringside reports state that Greb broke Tunneys nose with THE FIRST PUNCH LANDED OF THE FIGHT, a hard, straight right hand. Greb may not have been the cleanest fighter but throughout the latter portion of his career the number one complaint against him, which far exceeded any others, was the fact that he held and hit. When you consider that he only had one good eye and thus no depth perception you can figure out why he did this. Tunney got his ass kicked by a smaller, older, one eyed fighter, who couldnt punch, fair and square. It happened again in their second fight which was a fix and the worst decision in New York history, and again in Cleveland. Its said that history is written by the winners, well, its also written by the guy who outlives his opponent and thats exactly what happened in this case. Greb's critics outlived him and their bull**** has too. Just like the myth that Greb said he'd had enough of Tunney after their fifth fight and would never face him again, despite the fight that he was trying to fight him in Miami in early 1926...

Oh, and he was not walking around again immediately. He spent the next two weeks convalescing at his Red Bank, NJ training camp, recovering from his injuries.

 

Our resident Greb expert comes out of the wood work with his customary diplomatic take on things.
Mr Klompton I will own up, I haven't seen the fight.
I have only read reports on it .
Tunney stated he was butted in the first round, and ,that broke his nose and virtually closed one eye.
I said Tunney spent a week in bed after the fight.If you were not so quick to rip me, you might have spotted that ,nowhere did I say he was "walking around immediately, " I said" immediately he was walking around he asked for a rematch".

Greb was not a puncher ,on that we do agree therefore, I think it is likely that Tunney's assertion that His nose was broken by a butt is probable.
I am NO expert on Harry Greb and would not have even commented on the fight but HE GRANT, who hates my guts, thought that referring to my age , by saying," lets ask McVey ,he was there", was a funny line.

I tried to collate my thoughts on the fight from impressions I have gained from reading about it.
I am not as fortunate as you, in possessing the film catalogue of Greb's fights.
You have researched the era for your [forthcoming?]book on Greb, fine.
I just hope you read the clippings, and reports with a little more care than you appear to have read my admittedly poor effort.
You do not need to come charging out of the sun every time some one mentions Mr Greb, I have no wish to denigrate him in any way , he is , for me the greatest middle weight of all time and only Ray Robinson can possibly claim to be his peer p4p.
In closing, may I say your promised tome on Mr Greb has been some considerable time seeing the light of day.I look forward to it ,I haven't read the recently published rival version ,those who have, praised it ,you [predictably ] ,did not.

Possibly you should "keep your powder dry" now, [if you have any left],otherwise you may find yourself with nothing left to say,and that would never do would it?

 

For some reason, my effort was seen as a veiled attack on Greb.

Harry Greb has no bigger admirer on this forum than myself.


Can we now read your version of events my friend?

I promise to remain seated.:good

 

Dont worry McVey, given your take on the Greb-Tunney fight I think I can safely say that not only have read the accounts with great care but Ive read more of the accounts than you have. I didnt just stop with Tunney's word...

 

I am very pleased to hear it,and I didn't take Tunney's word I read some [not all] accounts of the fight. I would imagine ,at that time Greb was the superior man ,and I beleive he was jobbed in a subsequent fight.
As I stated, no bigger fan of Mr Greb posts here than myself.
I have also posted that I concede you are the best informed poster on the subject.
I told you why I posted on this thread, and if you dont like what I posted well ,that's your right.
I hope you make it as an author, because I don't think a career in the diplomatic service awaits you.:good

I beleive Mr Tunney was also a fan of Greb's because he was a pall bearer at his funeral.

 

In the tough 1920s boxing was not like the fights of today..Most anything went..It was just that Harry Greb was better than the rest of the fighters of the day...He only had about 2DQ,in 300 bouts....This shows that the Pittsburgh Windmill, was not a "dirty fighter ",but enormously fast,tough and cagey...
The tactics he used was common in those competetive days...Harry Greb gave ,what he recieved, just faster and more adeptly...
Still by far the most astounding fighter in history, everything considered....