88 years ago today!!!

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Abdullah, May 23, 2010.


  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

    98,716
    30,652
    Jun 2, 2006
    It has chapters on Plimpton sparring with Archie Moore, in Stillman's Gym.
    Travelling on the Ali bus, "Big Red".
    John L fighting Lord Lonsdale,dining with Hemingway .
    Norman Mailer,Liston Clay,Ali Quarry,Ali Foreman.
    Thumbnail sketches of various authors like Updike,Capote,Williams,etc.
    Angelo Dundee,Bundidni Brown etc ,not strictlya boxing book per se ,but well worth reading imo.Published by Andre Deutsch.
     
  2. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,795
    28
    Jan 6, 2010
    I wonder if people consider Greb's massacre of tunney to be worse or on par with Dempsey's destruction of willard. When peoplee say thik of the worst beating a man took, most think of Dempsey-willard, perhaps if there was more on the fight with Greb-Tuney people would see it differently because the fight sounds really brutal.
     
  3. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

    2,944
    1
    Nov 15, 2009
    Gene Tunney is an overrated ******, probably the most overrated behind Duran
     
  4. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

    8,257
    14
    Dec 2, 2008
    Thanks again for the information, McVey. This is a major benefit of E.S.B., that many knowledgeable fans spread the info freely. Like I said before, I have never even heard of this book, but it definitely sounds like a nice read.
     
  5. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

    8,257
    14
    Dec 2, 2008
    I was thinking of that the other day. Ask any boxing fan that actually knows a bit about the history of boxing what the most brutal fight in history was and most would probably say Willard-Dempsey. Dempsey hit hard and did a lot of damage to Willard in a short period of time. Greb on the other hand beat Tunney mercilessly for 15 rounds. I am of the opinion that Tunney-Greb is the most brutal beating in the history of the ring, and yes, it's true, I have not seen it. But, I have read a lot about it and Tunney himself had this to say, "Greb gave me a terrible whipping. My jaw was swollen from the right temple down the cheek, along the chin and part way up the other side. The referee, the ring itself, was full of my blood. If boxing was afflicted with the commission doctors that we have now, the first fight probably would have been stopped and no one would have heard of me today."
    – Gene Tunney

    Not to mention that one of our fellow E.S.B. members Burt Bienstock's father was at that fight and he said "it was worst beating that he ever saw a main event fighter take."

     
  6. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    18,285
    411
    Jan 22, 2010
    Abdullah, so true...One of Greb's victiims once said of Greb;s style, "I feltbthat the ceiling opened up, and a carload of gloves landed on my head ". Such was the style of the " Iron City Express "...Regards b.b.
     
  7. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,294
    29
    Nov 15, 2009
    i get a vibe that everybody that has posted in this thread is white, old as **** and homosexual
     
  8. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    18,285
    411
    Jan 22, 2010
    I won't get in the gutter with you Pachilles!!
     
  9. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,795
    28
    Jan 6, 2010
    Anybody seen this? footage of the fight exists...or at least it once did. ive never readf the whole article before, quite intereesting.


    http://www.harrygreb.com/homepagewithframeset.html


    Also this:

    http://www.harrygreb.com/sparringvideopage.html

    apparently, this guy was friends with jim jacobs and is responsible for those training vids of greb, he makes a good point about SOME footage of greb existing somewhere, anywhere. hopefully it can be found someday. Grebs grandson said that he doubts very much that footage exists, still, its always possible.
     
  10. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,795
    28
    Jan 6, 2010
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

    98,716
    30,652
    Jun 2, 2006
    I am white ,and coming up for 62, but heterosexual.
    Any gay posters are more than welcome, I would presume?
    Which actually , may be not the case where you are concerned.
    NUMB NUTS.
     
  12. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,294
    29
    Nov 15, 2009
    why are you so disrespectful?
     
  13. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

    8,257
    14
    Dec 2, 2008
    :lol: You're funny, Pachilles, I'll give you that. Not funny, ha ha, funny *****! J/k. No one ever knows what kind of crazy sh*t you'll post next. And yes, I am white. No, I am not old, but age is respect and I hope I am blessed enough to grow old. I am married to a WOMAN and have two kids, so the homosexual thing is definitely out for me.
     
  14. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

    8,257
    14
    Dec 2, 2008
    bman, everytime you post this I get a little more depressed about it. It's great to hold out hope, but Jimmy Jacobs was a millionaire and was willing to trade anything in his film collection for any Harry Greb footage and wasn't able to do so. Even the footage we have now Jimmy Jacobs never saw. I surely hope we can one day see the great Harry Greb on film and any fight would be fine with me, but one in his prime would be awesome.
     
  15. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,795
    28
    Jan 6, 2010
    you never know, atleast we know it once existed, this fight with tunney which leaves a possibility that it may be out there, optimism i guess, hopin it may be out there, like im optimistic that il get to see Dempsey-Miske and Fulton. thats abit different though cuz i knw it exists and whos got it, only thing is WHEN i hopefully see them and not IF i get to see them as is the case with Greb footage. But as the articleightly says, if there footage on John L theres deffinetly footage of Greb. Optimism man, you never know it may show up someday.