8th December - A Night To Remember!

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by elle, Nov 5, 2007.


  1. The Lads

    The Lads Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The british leg looks awesome.

    Alex, Mark, Gomez, jamie, Ali, Sykes, Rose!!!!

    Jamie Moore challenging for the European Title , the inaugural Super flyweight British title between Chris Edwards and Jamie McDonnell , together with a local derby at Welterweight with Craig Watson challenging Ali Nuumbembe for his Commonwealth crown. The event being billed as HOMEGUARD will have entertainment in a traditional British theme through out the night and a quality under card including VIP fighters Mark Thompson , Michael Gomez , Brian Rose , Alex Matvienko , Mark Moran and Gary Sykes
     
  2. elle

    elle Journeywoman Full Member

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    Hi. I assume you are Steve Wood from VIP Promotions.

    Thanks for the updated info re: Rushton v Reynolds. Still a packed bill as you'd come to expect from VIP.

    I for one would never write off Hatton or Moore in any fight but even a fan like me has to be realistic.

    Regarding your comment about the timing being right - its this that I primarily have reservations about concerning Moore. Why the 8th December?

    Having waited so long to get a shot at the Euro Title it just seems odd to me that this fight is taking place the same night as Khan's forcing boxing fans to choose between going to the Wigan bill or the Bolton bill and their shared trainer Oliver Harrison to divide his time between them and be in two different venues in a very short timescale.

    Do you know what time the Khan fight is on? ITV1 don't usually start their coverage before 9pm. What time is Moore fighting?

    I'm really pleased that Moore has got his chance at last and home advantage is a big plus but I fear he could be playing second fiddle to Khan on the night. Perhaps when I know all the ins and outs of the situation I'll be happier but at the moment it seems like a big risk.

    Another thing, this will be just 6 weeks since he fought Facey which proved to be a very testing fight for Moore so perhaps he could have done with some more preparation before facing Baysangurov.

    Although the circumstances seem far from ideal, I will be rooting for Moore to win as always.
     
  3. STEVE WOOD

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    Elle,

    The 8th December is the date we were given by SKY and a date where we were able to neqotiate to get the Russian over to the UK without it going to purse bids and maybe Jamie fighting away from home.

    Jamie will not fight until Midnight and that will leave Oliver plenty of time to work with Amir and then join Jamie to do his job with him. We were all aware of this when we agreed ,it was before the Facey fight and one can presume that this was a contributing factor to Jamie being a little flat in that fight.

    Trust helps clear your mind.

    STEVE WOOD
     
  4. elle

    elle Journeywoman Full Member

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    Steve

    Thanks - your response has put my mind at rest to a degree.

    I really don't like to sound negative where Moore is concerned but hope you appreciate I just see things purely as a fan and not from a tv or promoters point of view. I accept boxing is a business and dictates accordingly.

    If you are able, please keep us updated on ESB about the fight.

    Fingers crossed it will all work out on the night!
     
  5. elle

    elle Journeywoman Full Member

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    Now you guys, with all your inside info, have got me confused.

    If Jamie isn't fighting until midnight how can he assure the fight will be over by 12.05?

    I know he seemed to run out of steam at times in the Facey fight but I hope hes prepared to go more than one round with Baysangurov.
     
  6. elle

    elle Journeywoman Full Member

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    Should have known it was said in humour - by the way, your Michael Gomez interviews were some of the funniest I've read! :good
     
  7. robpalmer135

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    Yeh it is bigger Duddy is a world title contender and Elock is a former.

    Moore will never fight for a world title i guarentee!
     
  8. The Lads

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    Elcock is a former what? WBF champion? WBU champion?

    Duddy fighting a shot past it eastman who just lost his british title and sky wont show him because of his negative attitude? Have you seen Duddy fight, he'll get a title shot because of his huge popularity but will get smashed to pieces if he gets in with pavlik. He aint all that. macklin would beat him.

    You guarentee that do you? Well Vuma Moore was agreed as a WBC title eliminator but sky said they'd rather have Moore fight a UK fighter, facey, at the start of November. Moore has been as high as 8 by the WBC, should he beat the Russian he'll be in line to fight an eliminator for the title.
     
  9. elle

    elle Journeywoman Full Member

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    Elcock is the current British Champion and former WBU Champion. Any British fighter who is prepared to go overseas (Switzerland) and fight for a Title has my support.

    Eastman took Elcock the distance before handing over his Title so should give Duddy a good fight. If Duddy gets a World Title shot I don't think it will just be on the back of popularity as he is a talented fighter in my view.

    Bit concerning that Sky TV seem to be calling the shots over who Moore fights. Think Moore is currently ranked at 16 in the WBC rankings but hopefully he will move up if he beats Baysangurov and more Title opportunities will come his way.
     
  10. The Lads

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    Duddy is way overated on the back of his iriah popularity in New York. He's getting (allegedly) a title shot against pavlik in march - who has he beaten for that shot?

    "The Elcock is what" was is in relation to the comment "Duddy is a world title contender and Elock is a former" - a former what? Wayne gets my full support, but if sky were to screen that card he'd be the only fighter worth watching on it, and could feasibly get nailed in 1 or 2 rounds.

    Sky call the shots over who everyone fights, they wouldn't show Nuumbembe unless he fights UK opposition; they turned down Woods V Garay (in favour of de lisle3).

    moore was 8, he dropped after his injury and pull out against Vuma.
     
  11. elle

    elle Journeywoman Full Member

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    Overrated boxers seems to be a theme on here. Only last week I was defending Moore in a thread after he was named in the top 3 most overrated british boxers. Now its Duddy's turn - personally I don't think he is way overrated - unbeaten in 22 fights (17 KO's).

    As for the speculation about Duddy facing Pavlik in March I think its more likely a rematch between Pavlik & Taylor will take place in February. Should Duddy get a Title shot I wouldn't begrudge it - good luck to him.

    So Sky call the shots over who everyone fights - if this is the case its not necessarily good for the sport. The fact we get Moore v Facey II instead of a WBC Title Eliminator says it all. No wonder Moore looked unmotivated in his last performance.

    Understandable why Moore has dropped down the rankings but hopefully he can put all the setbacks behind him now and focus on capturing the Euro Title.
     
  12. elle

    elle Journeywoman Full Member

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    So can December 8th top the recent Calzaghe & Haye wins?

    If Hatton were to beat Mayweather it would - what a way to end the year for british boxing!
     
  13. The Lads

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    I wouldnt say its a running theme on here. I wouldnt say jamie is overated as he isnt rated that high on the world level by anyone. Duddy on the other hand was fed a long list of weak chinned fighters on the East coast to build up a reputation and (primarily) irish following. Well done the promoters. But is youre going to tell me that beating Prince Aaron and Howard Eastman (thats the lethargic shot to pieces eastman we have now, the one who's lost 3 ofhis last 5) warrants you a title shot for the UNDISPUTED middleweight championship of the world, well, simply, in my eyes it doesnt.
    How many of Duddys fights have you seen. In the build up to Duddy Campas (36yr old campas) I thought Duddy was going to look the bee's knees. He was hit very regularly, and easily by Campas and only took the contest by a couple of rounds.
    He may well become champion at some point, but if he gets a shot its simply so there will be a huge polish contingent and a huge irish contingent flock to MSG. Pavlik will (should) hammer him.

    Well without sky money the promoters couldnt get the level of opposition. There is some quality control, like getting rid of Eastman after his limp Evans Ashira effort.
     
  14. elle

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    Just to explain - your previous comment about "Duddy is way overrated on the back of his irish popularity in New York" came not long after a thread about the 5 most overrated british boxers, including Moore, which is what I picked up on.

    Clearly you don't rate Duddy and I can now understand where you are coming from. I have to admit I haven't seen many of his fights as most have been in the States but now that he is fighting in Ireland more we may get to see some televised here. In your previous posts your criticism seemed to be based on his appeal "He'll get a title shot because of his popularity". My point is we shouldn't hold it against him (or any boxer for that matter) because he is popular - obviously those surrounding him are going to make the most of it if it leads to opportunities.

    I see your point about who has Duddy beaten for a title shot but thats boxing for you. Its not always the most deserving who get the breaks - it could be argued that Rees didn't earn his shot at the WBA Light Welterweight Title but he took it well and beat M'baye.

    I'm looking forward to all the boxing on the 8th Dec - although Duddy v Eastman comes down the pecking order for me given whats on offer! I note your opinion about Eastman being shot. Interesting that Michael Gomez is not retiring - like Eastman, he has lost 3 out of his last 5 fights and is also fighting on the 8th. Any idea who he will be facing as he is one of your VIP Promotions boxers?

    Finally about Sky TV, I agree money talks but I still maintain my concern that it may not always be in the best interest of the sport - it depends how much they are influencing promoters as to what fights are actually made.
     
  15. The Lads

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    "In your previous posts your criticism seemed to be based on his appeal "He'll get a title shot because of his popularity". My point is we shouldn't hold it against him (or any boxer for that matter) because he is popular"

    I dont "hold it against him" - there has just been a media fuore coming out of new york about "irish" John Duddy. Good luck to the promoters, they saw a gap in the market and boy did they take it. Dont get me wrong, Duddy is good, but as yet he hasnt shown anything great, and to fight for the undisputed middleweight championship of the world if one of the finest honours in world boxing. For me, second only to HW champion historical importance.

    Boxing is all about opinions and I think about 50,000 paddys in new york would lambast me if they read this.

    Who do you think would attract more fans to a world title fight - Mike Tyson or <insert any other HW name> - doesnt mean he should get a shot.

    On Mike. Ive not spoken to anyone from VIP about the card in Dec to be honest, but I do need to e-mail steve about a couple of things... will ask.

    Difference between Mike and Reid (in my opinion) one guy came to fight, the other quit on his stool and imo didnt give 100%