9.29.08 -- One year anniversary of HBO fraud Jermain Taylor being exposed

One of the sadder aspects of the post-fight discussions by the Taylorites was the nearly-unbelievable thought from some corners that referee Smooger should have counted Taylor out rather than immediately call off the fight.

If anyone thought that Taylor was getting up and continuing after that barrage of punches from Pavlik, they were sadly mistaken.

Pavlik exposed Taylor, sure. But that doesn't mean that Taylor deserved to take any more punishment than he already had.

 

Excellent article. I suggest people read it if they're having difficulty grasping what I'm saying about Taylor being exposed by Pavlik. I can only lead you to the water, can't make you drink:

http://pro-boxing.suite101.com/article.cfm/pavlik_knocks_out_taylor

Taylor's career is a case study in what happens when the business side of the sport trumps the athletic side. As an amateur blessed with size, speed, and power, Taylor won a bronze medal in the 2000 Olympic Games, all of which made him marketable, and marketed he was. Once signed with HBO, Taylor's star was polished and put on display before every fight. The cable giant all but guaranteed Taylor's eventual reign as the middleweight king.

But if one looked past the hype,

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He won fights, even knocked out his opponents, but only because the outcome seemed predetermined. It is telling that in his six fight reign, the three fights that ended controversially in Taylor's favor were against Bernard Hopkins, twice, and Winky Wright -- fighters who were just as strong physically, and tougher, mentally. It will be said that Kelly Pavlik isn't the first fighter to beat Taylor, just the first to knock him out.

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http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2805

I was not all that surprised Taylor was knockout. Why? Because time has not allowed me to forget

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And

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by a brutal puncher named the Ghost.

Get it? The flaws in the fraud were exposed. Do you understand? Are you able to think beyond your subjectivity?

This is embarrassing, and one reason I don't come to this site as much as I used to in the past. The flaws Jermain Taylor possesses as a fighter -- and they are many -- are vastly surpassed by the lack of boxing understanding by many who post here. I know the sport well, sure, but not so well that I'm the only person on the site that realizes how flawed Taylor is, and that Pavlik exposed him.

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http://www.secondsout.com/USA/news.cfm?ccs=229&cs=23832

If anyone can make adjustments, it is Pavlik.

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fought well last time, but

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Pavlik exposed the flaws in Taylor's game. He exposed Taylor for the world to see.

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http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2/headlines//EEApFEuklZFEmrLzSA.html

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Yes he does, and Pavlik exposed those flaws. He exposed Taylor for the flawed, overrated fighter he is.

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I could go on and on and on, but I think the point is fairly clear by now. In case it isn't, maybe this will help:

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One more try: Taylor has a lot of flaws. Pavlik knew Taylor was flawed. Pavlik exposed Taylor's flaws. Pavlik exposed Taylor. Taylor, the HBO fraud, was exposed as being overrated by Kelly Pavlik. Today is the 1 year anniversary of Taylor's being exposed by Kelly Pavlik.

Hope that summary helps.

 

Nope, not what happened. You're doubly wrong, which isn't a surprise.

First, there were tons of people -- and they were Taylorites -- who gave Smoger a hard time for not counting out Taylor. And a good number of those (I remember arguing with them) were stupid enough to think Taylor may have gotten up. It became such a loud chorus of idiocy that Smoger was forced to defend his action to immediately stop the fight:

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/30/sports/sp-boxing30

Referee

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, oblivious to the 10,127 fans in the Boardwalk Hall.

I remember the discussion that led up to Smoger's having to say the 'out cold' line. It was pathetic, a desperate attempt by the Taylorites to look for a face-saving excuse after Pavik's exposure of their fraudulent hero. It was embarrassing for the Taylorites, their dismay so evident. Smoger's job is to protect the fighter, not his 'rep.' And that's what he did, and this is why he did it by stopping the fight instantly instead of counting to 10 or 100 over Taylor:

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2007/0929_taylor_pavlik/news/instant_update.html

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Here's just how stupid things got when the fraud fell:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20389

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Yep, it was that bad after Taylor got KTFO. I guess if you get 'in the way' of an unconscious man, you somehow prevent him from beating a 10-count.

Now you, sitiyzal, may not have been one of the Taylorites seeking an asinine excuse after Pavlik exposed Taylor. And that would be laudable. I don't remember what you said after the fight. But to try to pretend that none of the Taylorites said that Taylor could have possibly beaten a count, had Smoger given one, is not only fantasy it's flat-out untrue.

Here's a word for word example of the foolishness I'm talking about, from that thread:

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Taylor asked while he was sitting in the corner if he had been KO'd, and yet people actually were dumb enough to think he would have beaten a count had Smoger given it.

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And there was even some evidence, apparently, that Smoger did start a count, but he called it off after realizing Taylor was done:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09302007/sports/kelly_cops_crown_with_ko_in_7t.htm

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In other words, Taylor knew the truth, even if some of his more rabid fans -- the Taylorites -- didn't. The fight was over after Pavlik's flurry, and no count was required. Smoger got it exactly right. As Bert Sugar said, Taylor was out before he hit the canvas. If a guy's out, you don't make ceremonial counts, no matter if he is a champion or a bum. That's 10+ seconds you could be getting the fallen fighter the treatment he needs.

Thankfully, Smoger made the correct call, and the beaten Taylor was helped immediately, without having to wait 10 long and pointless seconds so the more disbelieving in the audience could be free of more excuses.

 

Stop whining, loser. There's an anniversary to celebrate, and this repost is just for you, Scar, to help get you in the right frame of mind:

It's not every day that a bona fide fraud gets exposed as Taylor was by Pavlik. When such an event happens, especially when a joke outfit like HBO similarly takes it on the chin, that day is to be celebrated and remembered. Anniversaries are key, and there's no way you can pass up the all-important first annual recollection. Someone posted an article on the main board, and I made this thread here on the forum.

If you wish to through a hissy fit, then no one is to stop you from going all PBF from that one press conference and crying yourself silly. I'm sure somebody has a tissue, or napkin as the case may be.

 

I'm sorry, Sitiyzal. I don't have time to go through all the archives and pull more quotes for you. What you saw in the thread I drug up was but one example of what I'm talking about, which you should know. Smoger had to come out and say the 'out cold'/'he was gone' lines because people were giving him a hard time for the stoppage without count. I remember arguing with such people here. If you want to go and find those threads, be my guest. I went and pulled up an example in order to show the people reading this thread that I am correct in what I said, that the fallacy that Taylor could have gotten up was being bandied about. And it was being tossed around primarily by embarrassed Taylor fans, the Taylorites.

In other words, it wasn't too hard to show that what you said was wrong. Taylorites had everything to do with it, and people were thinking of unimportant things like refs having in their head 'undisputed champions' versus non-undisputed champions when making the decision to stop a fight. Taylor was done, and he needed treatment. Thankfully, Smoger realized that, possibly after aborting a count he started.

If you want to do more research, go for it. I did what I needed to do, and have to move on to the next thing. Again, don't argue with me on my memory, particularly when I was personally involved with Taylorites making the claims I discussed. You will lose every time. I don't say things I know not to be true, and I always do my homework.