91 foreman v prime Carnera?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, May 27, 2017.


Who wins?

  1. Prime Carnera

    15.0%
  2. 91 foreman

    85.0%
  1. JohnThomas1

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    Fair point.
     
  2. reznick

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    This is one version of his account. He was equally if not more harsh with Baer.
    You have to take everything into account, not just cherrypicked snippets.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    I'm cherry picking nothing. Now on which page are the positive comments about Carnera that you say are in Louis' book because I can't find them!
     
  5. mcvey

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    UOTE="reznick, post: 18590597, member: 54206"]Damn right, this is the real stuff.
    Not the foofoo mcvey version.
    http://imgur.com/RwXKxoE
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    This account was personally signed, sealed, and delivered!
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    Different book and there is nothing positive about Carnera in those comments . I have," Joe Louis My Life" from which I took my quotes, all authenticated and primary sourced.I don't lie , I don't cherry pick, and I don't alter facts.
     
  6. reznick

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    Who're you talking to...
    Cuz it can't be me!
     
  7. mcvey

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    "In no part of it does he mention Carnera in a derogatory or negative way."
    He does in his autobiography!
     
  8. reznick

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    Not in My Life Story from 1947 he doesn't. Which was what I said in my post.
     
  9. mcvey

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    He doesn't say anything complimentary about him either does he?
     
  10. reznick

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    I didn't say he did.
    But he called him his biggest test up to that point in his career.

    And he illustrates that it was a serious fight, with a serious training camp.
    It was their time to prove themselves on the world stage in NY at the Garden.
    Beating Primo Carnera was a big deal.
    Beating him gave Louis the confidence that he could be champion.

    And as someone else pointed out, Louis rated Carnera in his top 5 wins, which is no big surprise given how big of a victory it was for him.

    The quote you keep referring to is as unflattering as one he gave on Max Baer.
     
  11. janitor

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    I can’t remember off the top of my head, but these matches have been debated.
     
  12. janitor

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    I don't mind Carnera being tried on Louis's testimony, provided that it is the entirety of his testimony, and not segments cherry picked to portray Carnera in a negative light.
     
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  13. janitor

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    This might surprize you, but we never actually saw ourselves as a camp.

    The idea of the question being a faceoff between adversarial camps is the mind-set that your side has brought to the table, and the form that you have forced the debate to take.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Louis had the confidence he would beat Carnera once he saw him fight Baer and he said so in print!
    You're clutching at straws!
     
  15. mcvey

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    I don't care what you do or do not mind ,you long ago ceased to be relevant to me as a serious poster.
     
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