95-05 Tyson had no heart

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Some of those points are spot on.

 

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Pretty much everything you said was true. Good 1st post.

 

Hmmm.... yes.

He just stood there for seven rounds and let Lewis pound him because he was a gutless fraud.

 

**** post, Tyson had a ton of heart in the first Holyfield fight

 

A little bit of heart for his fights against ruddock made me LOL!

He took some fantastic punches against Holyfield in their first fight and the knockdown was more Tyson being off-balance. After Lewis then yes....looked for a way out against McBride and Williams he appeared to stay down (Bad knee or not) He lacked stamina rather than heart post prison IMO

He didn't quit " No mas" style until Mcbride/williams fights.

Took his lumps like a man against Lewis. Was practically a punchbag in that fight from the 2nd rd onwards.

You say Post rooney Tyson was a head hunter.... I think you may have read press clippings. Watch the Ruddock fights again....especially the first fight. Tyson worked the body in that fight excellently. He came in a bit square on and lost the jab, so was open to an uppercut.

91 tyson holyfield fight..... People judge it by the fight in 96...that Tyson wouldn't have lasted 6 rds with Pre prison mike, rooney or no rooney!

I think of Holyfield against Bert cooper and just can't see Evander surviving.

 

Another foreman hook alt???

 

Holyfield would have stopped him in 1991.

I just think he's all wrong for Mike, on pretty much every level.

 

I think Holyfield beats Tyson at every stage, even if he has to get off the deck, or if he gets himself in trouble trading blows with Tyson. He'd always come back with something to put Tyson in his place. I think standing and trading with Holyfield would be just as much a mistake on Tyson's part !
It's just a head-to-head thing, a matters of styles. Two tough cookies, Holyfield was a bit tougher, and he thrived against aggressive fighters.


As for Tyson's 'heart' post-prison, well, he was mentally diminished. He'd always been prone to frustration and hot-headedness but his confidence post-prison was based on no solid foundation, just intimidation, hoping everyone would be bowled over in a round or two.

 

I think Tyson was way stronger, took punches better and had infinitely more stamina pre-prison.....A war in sparring means nothing. Alot of people mention that when comparing them prime H2H.

He went 11 rounds with Holy after 4 nothing fights against McKneely, Mathis Jr, Bruno ( fantastic finish in 3rd round) and Seldon. He wasn't used to absorbing punches as well as he did before incarcaration.

I agree that his mental state had diminished compared to pre-prison Mike.

Alot depends on where you see Holy's peak.....if it's the guy that struggled with Holmes, Foreman and cooper than Tyson makes him his ***** IMO. The sight of cooper making Holy stumble around like a saturday night drunk in the 3rd round...I can't see how Tyson has problems with that guy.

The best I can see for Holy is he lasts the distance, has some moments and loses UD

We'll never know tho and so I respect your point of view and opinions...Damn Tyson, his broken rib and that Miss Black america pagent!!:deal