We are pitting a 34 year old Ex who was in between his destructions of Glen Johnson in 97 and Felix Trinidad in 01. This was peak Hops, had great speed, better timing, punching power(the left hook was a major weapon along with the straight right during this time), and stamina to go 15 rounds. Against a 27 year old prime 3 years off his win over Eubank Joe Calzaghe who has better punching power because his hands were not so brittle at the time, and more hand speed. ESB what do you think about a winner? Hopkins 7-5 UD with 2 KD's over Joe 115-111
are you reallly doing this i take jc ud 8 rounds to 4 and i actually think jc gets knock down. his hands problems werent as bad back then as they are now
Yes I am doing this, Hopkins didn't have the speed problems he has now, he didn't have the stamina problems he has now, he had the left hook he does not have now, and he has better timing he does not have now. Hops UD
Hopkins would take it imo. Both great fighters but imo prime Hopkins is slightly better and has the style advantage to boot.
based on saturdays fight, Hopkins wide UD or late stoppage. if 43 year old hopkins is to much for 36 year old joe, then 34 year old Bhop takes out 27 year old Joe Slappy.
it should be noted that hop was a middleweight and joe a supermiddle at this point, which weight would they fight at?
168 for sure. Joe would be too drained at middleweight, but Hopkins would gain punching power as we saw him do in his 40's moving up to LHW.
No he didn't, he had very good power but I don't think he could put down a peak Hopkins granite chin, not even late because Hopkins could have went 15 rounds back then.
Hopkins was on fire in those days. His back to back victories over Johnson & Council in 97 in were near perfect. And in 99 he destroyed 3 very good contenders in Echols, Vanderpol and Allen (I think). Dont forget his domination over Keith Holmes, Keith was a bit of a forgotten man back in the day. He was a tricky fighter and a lot better than Sloppy Joppy. If you had asked me at the time I would have said Hopkins no problems because Calzaghe looked like a young, brash brawler in 1999. He stuggled a bit against Reid and Ricky Thornberry is a very average name to have on your resume. Knowing that Calzaghe was capable of so much more makes it a little hard to pick now but I still gotta go with Nard, in 99, almost a decade ago, no white boy would beat him.
Bernard could nuliffy that with his timing, plus then Hopkins was just about as fast a puncher as Joe was, not quite but very close. Only Roy was visibly faster at middleweight during Nards reign.