A.B.A Vs A.B.L ? The feud that is ruing aussie boxing from the roots !

I agree with TC the ABA is defo the way to go!!

but to be honest i never really hard any dramas with the ABL. only got positive experiences from it.

 

I can't see this ever being resolved while the both parties are playing off each other.

They need to have a Jury type ABL/ABA committee to elect internationally accredited olympic officials (Judges & referees).

Competition between fighters of both organisations should take place at regular intervals with those officials & that would soon give clarity & equality to all fighters.

To me, it doesn't matter a **** whose "club" you're in, it only matters that our best fighters get the best opportunities, & I think this is the only way it will be resolved.

The standard across the board no-brainer clause of "Bringing the sport into disrepute" (Fine or expulsion) will soon sort the wheat from the chaff.

The Minister for sport could fix this quickly if he/she had a mind to, & I think Parents are the only ones that are going to get the ball rolling.
JMO

 

The ABL was a very good idea, it used to stage regular fights, have good honest matchmaking and the scoring system, similar to the pros, was certainly fairer to all than the Olympic scoring system. It certainly was geared to grooming amateurs for the pro ranks.

After Mick Canavan passed away the wheels slowly began to fall off unfortunately. The Aussie boxing world is much the worse for it's loss of Mick and his passion and integrity. If Mick was still at the helm of league there may have been some resolution with the demise of Arther Tunstall.

Thanks to the stubbornness, arrogance and out right greed and corrupt nature of Tunstall , we have often not sent our best boxers, League and Association, to the games.

 

Spot on Dberry :good

Mick was one of those types in the boxing industry you will NEVER forget and for all the right reasons. I dont think enough could be said about how much he did for boxing and the pool of talent he was responsible for brining to the ABL. he really made it what it was back then and the guy who helped him but never said much, i cant recall his name but he was also a top bloke.

Mick had a few pros and it worked really well for him, he had the best intrests of all boys fighting for the league and the division was as you said a split group that opposed the tunstall corruption, without these guys standing up against tunstall the league would never had been formed and to do what these guys today running the show are doing is no justice to what guys like Mick have struggled to achive over the years. These guys really dont know what they have their hand in otherwise they would be ashamed of their actions and ways.

Mick to me was as straight up as they come and being a straight up person myself i really respected this, even the refs and judges back then all had a quality of legendary status in my eyes, one guy who was a diabetic he was really a top bloke and had a heart of gold, another guy was a former pro he was short and had curly hair that was a little long, he was also a top bloke. These guys you always seen at the fights, now you dont know what ur getting, new blokes that dont have a clue, new guys who just completed a course the day prior so the promoter dont have to pay for real officals etc.

its all become a bit shady to me, even so with the ABA. Yes they are somewhat more legit than the league currently however they are bias pigs and if your from the league you wont be given a fair go for quiet some time and are expected to take a few robberys on the chin, the team A and team B bullsht also has to stop in the ABA, the guy who wins the nationals should be the one who represents this country, not some team A or team B bullsht that got pulled a few yrs ago because the guys they wanted in the games didnt get through imo so they come up with Team A and B bullsht.

Im glad the AIS is closing down the boxing section because it was unfair for boys who have not had this training coming up against AIS fighters, its also a little bias as these fighters were fighting under the AIS banner. It costs around 80$ per day to train at the AIS and get the same training the AIS guys were getting, as you can see this just dont work for an amateur boxer earning no income through amateur boxing. One must obtain a scholarship or equal and gain the same training these guys get in the computer system, euro style etc. Its not like the league days with ABA its a completly diffrent science imo. Its point scoring not boxing.

One thing i will say about league is it is best for making the transition to pros, yrs and yrs ago this was not the case as we see with Ali, Sugar Ray etc but today the sport has changed a tone and the guys who go in with ABA style do not use the same style when they turn pro. Even guys like Geale still have a bit of the AIS ABA style left in them, its hard to shake when you have been doing it for so long.

I dont wanna stir up you league lovers either im just speaking the truth as contested by a number of people here who have also experianced the Mick Canavan days and the grubs running the show now. The contrast is so vast its not funny and if you cant see it then you either missed the Mick Canavan era or your a complete fckwit

 

The AABL has suffered badly, as it was a NON-PROFIT organisation during the 1990's. I'm don't know if this has changed in the last decade.

It's difficult enough to oragnise a crew to travel interstate, let alone overseas when profits are outlawed, or forced to be given to a charity. The Rotary Club was the initial recipient.

Be interesting to know the current financial sitution with the League.

 

I know at the beginning of last year league & QLD global fighters were aloud to fight for a spot on the commwealth team...

 

Gilly, is it true that Vic, SA and WA fighters from the League were not included in that set up?

 

Mate, if Canavan knew what was going on with the League now, he request for it to fold.

Re- non profit.. The League was forced to operate as a non profit organisation, as it was not to be legally registered as a business. A lot of pricks at the AABA were quite proud of this, and continually pressed to keep it that way. Mind you, I'm talking about events from close to 20 years ago, through to the late 90's.

 

im not to sure mate,but i think you could be right.all i know is fighters from global & league boxed in the commonwelth trials at shamrocks on the sunshine coast.

 

Cheers mate.

 

just got to say..i hate when guys from aba bag out abl & global by saying.

"you carnt go no where,its ****,the fighters are ****,you carnt repersent your country"

it annoys me when trainers say this.far enough if they were saying this to guys that are good enough to make the olympic team but 99% of the time there not.realistically alot more boxers turn pro.very few are good or lucky enough to make the olympic team anyway..i know alot of boxers that have never boxed in the olympics but have gone on to be our top professial boxers.so thats why it pisses me off when a trainer or club bags guys out that fight for abl or gab.

not only that i hate the style,scoring,& rules of aba.its almost turned into fencing..tag & run..style type fighting.to me thats not boxing!

if your a fighter & little older and know your not ever going to go to the olympics my advise would be to fight for league or global..its almost exactly the same..they dont stop it every 10 seconds,they let you punch on & any dummy can tell who won a fight so the winner always wins. well..almost everytime.

 

It does seem that being PRO ABA means having to hate the League etc. Pretty ignorant, but that's what's been the seperation isue for so long.

No different to representatives from different professional governing bodies saying "Oh, but our title is only there for the betterment of boxing, as oposed to the other shitty governing bodies"

 

The Association's gotta be the organisation of choice when comparing the two. The Association offers everything the League does and gives its participants the opportunity to compete at the sport's highest level.

You can get just as good a grounding for the pro ranks in the Association as you would in the League. You may lose a few more fights if your style is more suited in the pros but you're still racking up the experience.

If you're a fighter and don't want to make at as a top amateur, why would you fight for free in the League? Isn't it better, if you're style is more suited to the pros, that you turn pro and get paid in $$$ instead of trophies? I can understand a junior wanting to remain in the League until he turns 18, but after that if he doesn't want to turn pro he's wasting his time.

League was started with the best of intentions but it can only blame itself for what it has turned into to.