A better h2h HW (Holyfield or Frazier)

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who do you figure would do better while at their best?
     
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  2. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I love Joe and think he would most likely beat Holyfield himself, but, on the whole, I'm about 85% certain Holyfield would do better against common opposition.
     
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  3. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Smokin Joe Frazier, not even close
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Holy.
     
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  5. janitor

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    Better, or more versatile?
     
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  6. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you had each of them, at their best, face every HW Champion that lived. Who would have the better record when it's all said and done?
     
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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There is gets tricky.

    Frazier was long on consistency, and quality of performance. It basically took another great fighter to beat him. There were certain styles that were always going to be his kryptonite however.

    Holyfield was inconsistent, and it did not take another great fighter to beat him. Stylistically however, he had a chance against pretty much anybody.

    So we match them both from Sullivan to Fury, and don't factor in attrition?

    Frazier would have the better of the argument, for most of the timeline, but Holyfield would start to take over when the heavyweights got bigger.
     
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  8. Eddie Ezzard

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    That's surprisingly definitive, Reinhardt. Bonavena went close with Joe and I can't think of anything Ringo did that Holyfield couldn't do better.

    I think this is a 6-5 pick 'em. I wouldn't bet the house on either so I'd be interested to see how you see it panning out. Do you think Holyfield hooks with a hooker and comes unstuck?
     
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  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Frazier.
     
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  10. Bokaj

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    Holy for me, I think. He would be a hard fight for just about anyone, while Frazier was a slow starter and always there to be hit, which is bad news when coming up against bigger, more powerful quick starters like Louis (well, not bigger in terms of weight, but otherwise he fits), Liston, Foreman, Tyson and Lewis.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Frazier at his best would do better for me. "In the lab". By way of video game analysis.

    But it's a little unfair. Frazier's best maybe lasted two fights, total. If you put them in actual careers against a really good field, Holyfield would streak away with it. There's nothing between them as far as who was tougher over fifty minutes or so, but as to who was tougher, to the bone, in depth, teak tougher, it's Holyfield all the way. He was made of different stuff, the very hardest of stuff.

    Again, it's just for me, but I feel as sure as one can about these kind of guesses that Frazier would steamroll Holyfield in a fight - but I feel equally sure that Holyfield would win a trilogy.
     
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  12. Coral Eugene Watts

    Coral Eugene Watts New Member Full Member

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    Holyfield, this dude fight so many different styles and give everyone a tough fight.
    And he would give every other ATG a hard fight, no mather if its Ali, marciano or liston
     
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  13. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Best for best, which I believe is the thread question, Frazier.

    The Frazier of FOTC beats Holy eleven times out of ten.
     
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  14. JohnThomas1

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    It's not against each other, it's against others.
     
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  15. Mendoza

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    Agreed. Holy had he better chin by a mile, was the better boxer, had more height / reach, a more creative offense, and also was better on the counter or the body.

    The only think Frazier was clearly better at was the left hook and long term stamina for rounds that no longer exist.
     
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