A bit of perspective on P.Williams

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  1. BremnerBomber

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    Sometimes he's in sometimes I leave him out, even though i daon't really like him.... he is the best HW in the world an has dominated his division for a while now.
     
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  2. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The kid( Williams ) has got balls by going up and down like he does and he has a great attitude about fighting
     
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  3. McGrain

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    I think you could make an argument for his being in the 5 based upon the inactivity of a couple of the top guys, but he's not in mine. I'd say 6 or 7.
     
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  4. BremnerBomber

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    Agreed :good

    But his resume is not p4p material...... don't get me wrong he has pontenial, but what has he done ?
     
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  5. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Those wins shouldn't get him in the top 10 let alone top 5 IMO.
     
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  6. asero

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    you do not consider overall ability in your p4p ratings?
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Why? He's gone from good wins at 147 to a good win at 160. He's only been beaten once, it's avenged. He qualifies on the skillsets front.
     
    McGrain, Apr 12, 2009
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  8. BremnerBomber

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    I think it is clear as day.... that his achivements and resume are nowhere near good enough for the top 10

    It's the same whenever an American boxer gets a decent win
     
    BremnerBomber, Apr 12, 2009
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  9. Bing

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    Agreed P4P lists are whos the best right now imo. Whos in the best form is the determining factor for me. Resume comes more into play with ATG lists.
     
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  10. BremnerBomber

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    Thats it though..... he has GOOD wins nothing more and a loss against a nowhere near p4p quintana
     
    BremnerBomber, Apr 12, 2009
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  11. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    agreed...williams is top 10 no doubt..and you can make a very strong case for juanma lopez in the top 15
     
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  12. Gneus7

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    Good wins aren't enough he has to beat the best in the division or beat a top 10 p4p fighter IMO.
     
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  13. BremnerBomber

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    Who has he knocked out of your top 10 ?
     
    BremnerBomber, Apr 12, 2009
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  14. uptown_110

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    I really don't see how you can have a pound for pound list and not have this guy in it. He is pretty much close to the definition of pound for pound, meaning if 2 fighters were at the same weight who would win. There is no other fighter doing what he's doing besides Pacman. Going up and down in weight and beating good fighters. Not JMM, not Hatton, etc. It puts too much on peoples bodies, look at Roy, Tarver, Chris Byrd...they all looked like crap when they dropped the weight. None of these fights have even been close that Williams has been in. That alone should put him there. This guy is constantly jumping back and fourth and not just beating up tomato cans while doing it.
     
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  15. Gneus7

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    At the very least there is doubt.
     
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