A bit of realism regarding Ortiz.

what is the rule in general, foreman or everyone else?

clearly foreman and hopkins are the exceptions, not the general pattern, so why bring them up?

so, NEVER BRING THEM UP AGAIN.

you have to go with the rule, 40somethings arent world level generally.

 

Lol I can and will bring up who ever I want too. 38 years old isn't old for a heavyweight. Especially one who hasn't been in any wars. Ortiz is just a joke fighter that Wilder fans are trying to build up to justify their opinion of Wilder.

 

well i agree with that.

just fnished the fight and it was a joke indeed. Fortunately watching on my PC, so its not a loss when I can on the same screen simultaneously watch subtitled Swedish crime thriller Modus (about an American CHristian extremist murder cult, awesome plot! Swedes know how to make their tv).

 

After the 55 year old Cuban amateur confirmed the youngest Ortiz could be is 48. Told Amir Mansour interview on yt

 

Wrong. I have no idea who the hell "Dave Allen" is.

 

OMG

 

On 3/3/18 Ortiz stepped into the ring at Barclays arena, fit, primed, and ready as any heavyweight out there to do battle. He had spring in his legs the entire fight. His punches were crisp and sharp. He was focused on his mission and he came to win. To say anything else is to do the man injustice. Saying that his age was a factor in him losing is pure BS and labeling him plodder is an outright lie because the man moved and danced better than most heavyweights out there today. Trying to make Wilder look bad by lying on Ortiz is childish and displays a serious lack of intelligence.

 

There's a bunch of sad sacks on here

 

Wlad is a better win than Ortiz but Ortiz is currently the second best win in the division. Ortiz is a very good fighter and would boost the resume of Fury and Aj quite a bit.

 

And how many better heavyweights are there?

Ortiz was top 5. It's a great win for Wilder and he deserves a lot of credit for it.

And as a bonus, it was low reward for Wilder. That shouldn't convey higher rankings, but it's very admirable.

Wlad was ancient and dethroned when AJ beat him, and everyone still calls that win one of the greatest achievements and a FOTY.

 

Wlad did not dispose of Jennings. He fought the hopeless Jennings to a lackluster decision. Wlad was shot at that time, as he was also shot by the time he fought Fury and Joshua. Any discussion of resumes has to take these facts into account.

 

Gassed? Ortiz looked fresher than DW lol! I thought he was on his way to finishing wilder but wilder caught him and he was done. Come man! you haters are pathetic! I cant wait to see the excuses you clowns are going to come up with if he beats the winner out of AJ/Parker.