A brief history of the ABC era (boxing's sanctioning organizations)

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Well, as the biggest MAB fan you could find on here, I have to say that whole ordeal was Marco's fault. He declined the WBC, and opted to roll with the Ring/lineal titles as his proof of supremacy. This opened the door for Morales vs. Ayala for the vacant green strap at 126lb, not through any fault of Morales or Ayala or the WBC. Barrera fought Kelley and Tapia in what officially were non-title bouts, scheduled for twelve or not. The lineal and Ring Mag titles are not substantial enough on their own without the backing of some genuine hardware, even in the fractured alphabet soup era, to stand on their own. IMO.
     
  2. Farmboxer

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    ABC's are such a sick joke! Anyone know how many titles there are now? Heard there will be a new one coming soon!
     
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    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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  4. IntentionalButt

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    I might embellish the OP with an encyclopedic list of links to all the "alternative" championships from purveyors other than actual sanctioning bodies. (and since I have the likes of AIBA, the Association of Boxing Commisions, and the NYSAC listed maybe I will tack on the Ring Magazine with the caveat that it belongs in that outsiders group)

    You have the Ring Magazine championships, the "ESPN" title (anybody remember that? It was contested in the eighties, as roughly on par with the North American titles - a domestic stepping-stone to a world title or consolation prize for TV mainstays that were entertaining and/or good enough to be fan-faves but probably didn't stand a chance at world level. Their belts in various divisions were scheduled the championship distance, 12 rounds apiece, held by the likes of Tyrone "Butterfly" Crawley at lightweight, Jesse Ferguson at heavy, etc. I'm not sure if ESPN maintained its own database of rankings or had some other arbitrary system to determine its title bouts' participants, though - need to do some more research on that), in the eerily not-so-distant social climes of the late 19th/early 20th century the shamefully once-necessary Colored titles, and the vastly misunderstood "Lineal" championships (great thread by GlaukosTheHammer on that subject here: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/lineal-explained-by-someone-who-actually-knows.601075/ - which I will also edit into the OP in the external links section...although I think it might be close to hitting the single post character limit) among some other minor ones.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

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    PBC? Oh boy, can't wait..
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ah, yes. The WAA (V1 and V2). I believe Pat O’Grady’s son-in-law Monte Masters won the heavyweight title ... and was stripped when he either cheated on or divorced Pat’s daughter, haha.

    Great resource thread. Thanks for the work, IB, and you too, LH, for adding to it.

    I remember when the great “Flash” Gordon, in his Tonight’s Boxing Program underground publication, would call the WBA the WBArun and the WBC the WBKing. I think he might have also mentioned the WAO’Grady for the WAA, haha.
     
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  7. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Had forgotten about Randy "Flash Gordon" ....Ring Mag boxing expert. In New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame.
    http://www.njboxinghof.org/randy-gordon/
    https://twitter.com/commishrandyg?lang=en
     
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  8. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed! Good work put out in preparing the list but I was getting nauseous by the end. :)
    The real bull**** in all this are each of the 'World' bodies listed top ten at each weight. A decade or so back I saw the top 10 listings of five of the major 'world' bodies and there were only four repeats out of the 50???
    So we had 46 top 10 contenders??? Remember James Donald's final line in "The Bridge on the River Kwai"?
    "Madness!"..."Madness!" :(
     
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  9. Saintpat

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    Randy Gordon of Ring and Malcolm “Flash” Gordon are two different people. Flash is the guy who exposed the ABC/King fixed U.S. boxing tournament and numerous other bad things going on in boxing during his day.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Anybody else kind of low-key rooting for the scrappy underdog IBO? They are the first alphabet org to elbow their way into perception as semi-legitimized (as I said, pretty much standing now where the WBO did until about 15 years ago) that isn't rooted in the original superpowers: the main pair of bitter nemeses on top, and the almost Greek mythological offspring that sprouted from the WBA's head or were its ******* progeny from mating with a mortal in the guise of a jaguar or something.

    They've done it from scratch, every step of the way, outmatched in connections, financial backing - you name it, they're disadvantaged. They also were ahead of the curve using computerized rankings before there was even such a thing as BoxRec (whom they officially adopted for theirs a few years ago). Their motto is "Honesty/Integrity/Trust" and they have never had any major corruption scandals AFAIK. Their list of past and current belt holders is, on the whole, pretty impressive (even if they do have the occasional "champ" who's arguably not top 15 in his division)
     
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  11. Drew101

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    I mean, to an extant...After all, they were the organization that mirrored the Ring in recognizing Johnson and Tarver as legitimate LH champions, confirming lineage. That also holds true for Hatton. But, man, there's a lot of chaff to sift through to get to those occasional grains of wheat.
     
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  12. Russell

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    They remind me of the USBA for some reason, another low key organization but one that allowed a certain lower level of fighter to flourish once boxing on TV started becoming really big in the late 70's or thereabouts. They've had some exciting champions that are all but forgotten now.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

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    Like, yes, the case is easily made that fewer bits of letter-shaped pasta floating around in the alphabet soup is the ideal direction to be moving, not less - but unless any of the Big 4 goes Chapter 11 anytime soon, or the IBF and WBO decide to reconcile with Mommy Dearest and climb back into the womb to halve the major org count, at this point you almost have to say "fuck it, we're in for a penny/in for a pound...the more the merrier" :lol:

    We're living in the fractured era with a multitude of belts, may as well learn to accept it. Really what's the difference between 4 & 5? If you find yourself aghast, remember that in the late nineties the same question would've elicited the same response as regarded the WBO - "really what's the difference between 3 & 4?"
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    The ESPN title was just a tournament. It wasn't a title to be defended.

    They did the first ESPN tournament right after the network began in 1980 as a way to build interest.

    I remember Frank "The Animal" Fletcher and Dwight Braxton winning tournament finals that year and being presented with a little cheap belt as a trophy.

    Frank Fletcher beat Jerome Jackson, Caveman Lee and Sammy Nesmith (in the final).
    Dwight Braxton beat Charles Smith, Rick Jester and Tony Mesoraca (in the final).

    It was sort of a poor man's version of the Super Six or the World Series of Boxing.

    The fighters in the first ESPN tournament were just young fighters with a handful of bouts

    The "coup" was getting Sammy Nesmith, who was actually a veteran. Then Fletcher destroyed him in an upset.

    Then, thru sheer dumb luck, Braxton and Fletcher TOOK OFF. They got matched with actual contenders at light heavy and middleweight and WON. Then they started to get national network dates. And Braxton ended up becoming a Hall of Famer. (He didn't start the ESPN tourney that way.)

    But the ESPN title wasn't an organization belt like the WBC or WBA or anything like that. Or the North American title. It wasn't anything like that.

    They didn't have "ratings." Nobody defended a "title." It was just a tournament and they just took whoever they could get.

    When Braxton and Fletcher got hot, they decided to do it again a couple more times (once at heavyweight). But it was never a consistent thing.
     
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  15. Drew101

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    I think any organization that would sanction contests between clearly recognized champions and legit challengers deserves its props. But ultimately, doing so usually requires unification with other sancationing bodies to determine who the champ/clear number one usually is. Adding another organization only adds to uncertainty, imo. And, that ain't a good thing.