A career comparison. Marquez, Barrera and Morales.

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Quite a few years have passed since these guys were on top of the boxing world.

    My evaluations of them and how they stack up to one another.

    Marco Antonio Barrera

    Pros
    - Won the Morales trilogy
    - Was the most consistent of all three
    - Reinvented himself and became a better fighter after the Jones losses
    - Embarassed Hamed

    Cons
    -Should not have lost to Jones
    -Destroyed by Pacquiao in absolute prime
    -Loss to Marquez, but some allowance for being faded


    Erik Morales

    Pros
    -Has the biggest win of either three
    -Defeated Barrera
    -Most physically dominant of the three
    -Never Knocked out in prime
    -Defeated Jones
    -Only 1 man beat him in his prime

    Cons
    - Lost Barrera trilogy
    - Prone to meh performances against average opposition
    - Did not fight Marquez or Hamed
    - Poor longevity denying himself the chance to defeat Pacquiao again and denying Pacquiao chance for meaningful redemption


    Juan Manuel Marquez

    Pros
    - Most technical of the three
    - Gave prime Pacquiao two tough fights
    - Aged the best
    - Knocked out Pacquiao, but not the peak Pacquiao
    - Did defeat Barrera, but not the peak Barrera

    Cons
    - No signature win, never beat a great fighter at their peak
    - Never fought Morales or Hamed
    - Norwood loss was bad


    There you have it. In retrospect while all three are great I do believe there is separation. Barrera and Morales are just a notch above Marquez IMO. And Morales and Barrera are about as close a call as it gets.
     
  2. Steve_Fox

    Steve_Fox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marquez ktfo Pac at almost 40 years old . That was impresive

    he fought all pacs peak or not peak .
    he only won when judges couldnt rob him
     
  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you read the post I put in in the pro section of his section.
     
  4. Steve_Fox

    Steve_Fox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Morales pro

    outboxed Pac
     
  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    No doubt about it.
     
  6. Steve_Fox

    Steve_Fox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Morales pro

    Pac couldnt beat peak Morales
     
  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao did not, but Morales denied him the chance to. Because he declined so early he never gave Pacquiao the opportunity for redemption after the first fight.
     
  8. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haven't you made this thread 100X before?
     
  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You bring up Barreras loss to marquez while he was faded. You are right he was faded. But then you bring up Morales' losses post prime and treat them like they were prime losses.

    Only man to beat peak Morales is Barrera.

    And the greatest accomplishment any of the three had was Morales out boxing a young Pacquiao.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Never made a thread comparing these three.
     
  11. pound

    pound Coqui Radar Full Member

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    Erik Morales is STILL, the baddest man on the planet. Thread over. No more discussion!
     
  12. KO KIDD

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    Juan Manuel Marquez

    Pros
    - Most technical of the three
    - Gave prime Pacquiao two tough fights Discounts the 3rd fight where Manny was on a tear at 147 and most thought Pacquiao was going to finally get an impressive win over Marquez, this fight was very meaningful, it exposed the "improvements" and showed how great Marquez is
    - Aged the best
    - Knocked out Pacquiao, but not the peak Pacquiao Manny was on a long run of wins and nobody thought Bradley won so in reality Manny was at a very high point in his career
    - Did defeat Barrera, but not the peak Barrera

    Cons
    - No signature win, never beat a great fighter at their peak Pacquiao II would have been that win, judges had other ideas
    - Never fought Morales or Hamed
    - Norwood loss was bad

    What do you mean by Barrera was most consistent but Morales was most physically dominant?
     
  13. Zimornsky

    Zimornsky King Fluid IV = CHEAT banned

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    Barrera > Morales > Marquez/Roidquez

    Roidquez was juiced to the max in III and IV. IV should have an asterisk next to it. Roidquez is the A-Roid of Boxing.

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  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marquez-MAB was only controversial to HBO and the MAB fanboys, the great majority of world scribes had Marquez beating MAB and beating him convincingly.
     
  15. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You mean
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