A Clear Cut Explanation On Why Floyd "DOES" Deserve The Lions Share Against Pacman...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by walk with me, Jul 27, 2009.


  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now before everyone comes in here and kills me, I want you to take some time and think about what I'm about to type out. This is not solely based upon what I think, but spoken from the perspective of Mayweather and in a way that is relatively to both Mayweather & Pacman (objectively) so please before you comment, do not roast me. Read my OP and then state your opinion as fairly as possible.

    Now in the past month one of the hottest debates in boxing has been "Who deserves the lions share,Floyd Mayweather Or Manny Pacman?" and rightfully so, this would easily be the biggest matchup in the past 10 years and probably one of the biggest in the past 20 years (remember its 2009).






    • The
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      to this puzzle which Floyd has been bringing up so much is,
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      . What this basically translates to is that when it comes time to strike a deal with Manny Pacqiaou to fight,
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      . Already Aside from the fact that Floyd & Arum had a horrible past, this is one BIG ROAD BLOCK. Due to the fact that arum gets 27% of his cut no matter what, it means that
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      , one on the negotiating table & the other in the ring. Bob Arum is no fool and he knows how much money will be in this bout so as long as he has 27% stake in the fight, he will make sure he gets some of that money and Floyd is just acknowledging the fact that Arum really shouldnt be touching that much of it. And in some way im sure Floyd is looking at it as "I'm Not Letting Arum Touch Any Of
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      , Especially when he isnt doing anything inside of a ring". What I see some of you guys saying is "Every boxer has a promoter, this concept is ******ed as hell." Which is partially true but the fact of the matter is that
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      at the end of the day. He set up his entire career to fight oscar de la hoya, and when he did he was the one bending over in contractual negotiations. From ring size, to glove size, to EVERYTHING
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      , and when he beat de la hoya at his own game Floyd inheritted the right to become "the man", More on this a bit later.






    • The second piece to this puzzle is,
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      Now obviously many believed Floyd Mayweather would eventually come back out of retirement and that he was only on a short term vacation. But who is to truly say that is a fact? Floyd was retired from the sport of boxing and
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      . I can already see some of you guys quoting this section and riddling me with facts about how floyd is supposedly in debt and a bunch of other stuff. But lets be as real as possible for a second,
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      what kind of financial situation this man is dealing with. On the contrary to the actual reports NONE of us truly know, And on top of that if Floyd really just wants to
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      for the WBC belt or something like that. To even expand on this, When Pacman beat Hatton, what was the topic the next day on sports center? Spoken directly from the mouth of woody paige, Manny Pacqiaou vs Floyd Mayweather. At the end of the day floyd is still the top dog and would be coming out of his position to fight Manny Pacqiaou.





    • The Third Piece to this puzzle is the fact that no matter how you really spin it A
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      Fight is still the fighter that is in the
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      . People have been begging to Fight Floyd for years & years and still are. You honestly Cannot
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      . These are 4 of the most highly demanded fights in the sport by far and its because of Floyd mayweather. In regards to pacman in connection to floyd, after pacman beat hatton the next logical step was floyd.
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      , which leads me to my next point.





    • The Fourth Piece to this puzzle is the fact that regardless of whether Pacman beat ODLH & Hatton more convincingly (which is partially debateable)
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      . Pacman is just following if floyd's footsteps and doing things that he already done when the common opponents were at a way higher point, So
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      to Floyd earning less money than Pacman? What will make these negotiations interesting is
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      If pacman does that then he would have done something that Floyd never did and cant really spin it any other way, so that would definitely give Pacman Some Additional Leverage when it comes time to negotiate a fight Between Pacman & Mayweather.





    • The Fifth Piece is the fact that
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      , or for that matter any of these other guys who are left over. Floyd's Career is already a very accomplished & successful Career that will leave him cemented in the history books as one of the most successful boxers of our era and a 1st ballot hall of famer. Add that up with the fact that he is coming out of retirement to do this fight,
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      aside from the fact that he will get a big check for the fight.
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      . What I see some of you saying is "of course floyd needs pacman, he is the p4p #1 guy" but for as long as floyd was around Pacman was behind him in the p4p charts and still hasnt done anything to truly surpass him,
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      (after me typing this its a bit clearer to why floyd always says he is still the p4p #1) pacman hasnt truly done anything to surpass floyd in a p4p conversation.
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    At the end of the day (and this long thread) this is just trying to give you a look inside of why Floyd may deserve the bigger share of the pie. This isnt necessarily what I believe (although the more I type it the more I believe Floyd does deserve the bigger share). One thing I kind of left out is how Floyd always mentions
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    . When floyd says that what it means (translateted) is that pacman is ready & willing to do whatever he has to for him to step in side the ring with floyd mayweather (including the lesser portion of the negotiations), this is why he is fighting jmm.
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    by beating Floyd Mayweather Jr (
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    So regardless I'd like to see everyones feedback and thoughts on this topic, I think its pretty interesting and I tried to be as objective as possible and write as clear as possible so everyone reads it through.

    Check it out and let me know what you think
     
  2. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Im bored of listening to Flyd Mayweather, he has a tremendous record, one of the best...but Pacs is better, he is the man of the moment and beating big names in big style. I think PBFs nose has been put out of joint because Pac has come from lower weight classes and dominated DLH and Hatton so much easier than he did.

    Mayweather vs PAC clearly should be a 50-50 split. By making ridiculous demands Mayweather is muggin himself off!
     
  3. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    im pretty positive you didn't read any of what i wrote, I even warned people like you to shut up and read the ****ing post before you comment.
     
  4. Dom79

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    No matter how u wanna look at it, the consensous is that Floyd NEEDS Pac right now, more than Pac needs Floyd. It is Pac who is in the spotlight. Pac is a worldwide fan favorite and boxing icon, while Floyd is viewed as an unlikeable, immature ***** with tremendous boxing skills.

    Yes Floyd drew more than Pac in his last 2 fights, but that was 2YRS AGO! How long does he want to try and ride that wave? You know damn well that in the sport of boxing, its all about "what have you done lately", and in Floyd case... "nothing at all". Pac has emerged as the pfp#1 in the world, and seen as "the man to beat".

    Floyd does NOT deserve a penny more than 50/50. If he chooses to demand more, then I see this as none other than a carefully orchestrated duck. If Floyd beats Marquez, and Pac beats Cotto, we can have the biggest fight since the era of Leonard/Hagler/Hearns/Duran. If Floyd is going to let a few percent get in the way of that, then im sure everyone would have known his motive. No other fight out there will land him more money. So much for "if it makes dollars it makes sense"
     
  5. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    pretty sure you didnt read what i wrote either..... I pretty much explained everything you touched upon...


    wow im 0 for 2 so far.... i cant wait for some one to actually read my first post.... thanks guys


    edit: and to be honest... he could make a ****ing **** load of money if he did floyd vs cotto in yankee stadium, first of all the fight would sell out no matter how it is marketed, but if its marketed properly it could sell way more than the hatton fight but a little less then the odlh fight.
     
  6. MattMattMatt

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    In all fairness, despite the paragraphing and highlighting, it's still too much of a wall of text and I don't have time to read all that. Hopefully it will get summarised nicely by the kind members of ESB. ;)
     
  7. asero

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    pacquiao makes his statement in the ring

    mayweather makes his accomplishment looks good in mic

    money should go to the real people's champion
     
  8. Dom79

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    Floyd could **** a family member of yours, and you'd find a way to justify it for Floyd. You're blinded by your love for the guy. Man up and stop being such a groupie. Its not a good look.
     
  9. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LMAO!.... finally my first honest poster...

    Ill do it first since you attempted to read it.

    - Floyd knows arum is a bigger road block to this fight than pacman is, because arum will be greedy

    - Floyd would be doing pacman a favor by fighting him

    - Floyd is still the highest demanded fighter in the sport retired or not

    - Pacman technically still hasnt really surpassed floyd.

    - Floyd honestly doesnt need pac 1 bit.


    those are in order of how i typed it so if you want to read about a particular point you can check it out.
     
  10. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I justify things to make sense of them, what good is bitching about it? I'd rather try to understand it, im glad you confirmed that you DID NOT read what i wrote.

    I honestly could give a **** about the cut of the contract, im just trying to help you people understand it. The Fight is going to happen regardless.
     
  11. Dom79

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    That's where you're wrong. Floyd DOES in fact need Pac. Every single corner he turns, and in every single interview he's asked the same question. "When are you going to fight Manny Pacquiao?" It haunts him, and he's grown quite frustrated and jealous of the man. Why is it that everyone praises Pac, while the majority of the boxing world slams Floyd? I dont see anyone calling Pac a "runner, ducker, etc.." He like Cotto fights whoever is in front of him, and has not made 101 excuses not to fight someone.

    Floyd says that the pfp title means nothing to him in 1 interview, yet the minute Brian Kenny introduced him as the "former pfp#1 fighter", Floyd caught a hissy fit on live tv. He
     
  12. konaman

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    Honestly thats just a big wall of ****.

    The matchup has 50/50 split written all over it and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Floyd certainly wouldn't be doing Manny a favour by fighting him, and he certainly couldn't just comeback and fight someone like Andre Berto, that would be career suicide and would actually send his legacy backwards.

    Your idea of the biggest fights in boxing is raw speculation and YOUR opinion. A year or two ago it would have been correct, but right now Manny Pacquiao is the man in the spotlight and the matchups you listed are not necessarily correct.

    Manny doesn't need Floyd Mayweather. He has already cemented his legacy unquestionably. Higher than Mayweather most would have it, though you wouldn't because you are totally ignorant of the scale of weight jumping and its significance (previous statements insinuating Mayweather went up in weight more rapidly destroys any credibility you might hope to have on the topic).

    Manny's position in the sport has grown so rapidly and this is something you do not effectively gauge.
     
  13. Dom79

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    That's where you're wrong. Floyd DOES in fact need Pac. Every single corner he turns, and in every single interview he's asked the same question. "When are you going to fight Manny Pacquiao?" It haunts him, and he's grown quite frustrated and jealous of the man. Why is it that everyone praises Pac, while the majority of the boxing world slams Floyd? I dont see anyone calling Pac a "runner, ducker, etc.." He like Cotto fights whoever is in front of him, and has not made 101 excuses not to fight someone.

    Floyd says that the pfp title means nothing to him in 1 interview, yet the minute Brian Kenny introduced him as the "former pfp#1 fighter", Floyd catches a hissy fit on live tv.
     
  14. Dom79

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    Ignore the repost ^^
     
  15. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you obviously you dont understand the concept of "need" very well.

    Cotto needed margarito to get to oscar
    Shane needed Cotto to get to floyd

    I wouldn't expect you to understand or agree to this because your hate Floyd doesn't allow you to think clearly..... kind of like a girl on her period


    yawn

    another floyd hater.... who refuses to even acknowledge my most obvious points.


    edit: word kona? so name a bigger fight?

    pacman vs shane > floyd vs shane?
    pacman vs cotto > floyd vs cotto?
    pacman vs marg > floyd vs marg?
    pacman vs jmm > floyd vs jmm? (maybe the only fighter that pac has the edge because of the history)

    floyd's fights are still the biggest in boxing