A Clear Cut Explanation On Why Floyd "DOES" Deserve The Lions Share Against Pacman...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by walk with me, Jul 27, 2009.


  1. Powerman55

    Powerman55 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're ignoring Pacman's whole career before his fights with Hatton, DLH and Diaz. If Pac had retired before those 3 fights he'd still have a better resume than Floyd.

    NOT better skills but much better resume.
     
  2. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At what point did i say Pac deserves more than Floyd? That is the whole point of my argument, any variation from 50/50 is simply RIDICULOUS. You are the one claiming that one deserves more than the other. Floyd deserves just as much as Pacquiao, not a cent less.

    You seem totally oblivious of Pacquiao's rise in the sport and Mayweather's absence.
     
  3. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't believe Marquez is his own boss... so what's the problem?
     
  4. Powerman55

    Powerman55 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's about who is the draw NOW. Not 2 years ago.

    It's the present POUND for POUND Number 1. Not the 2 years ago P4P Number 1.

    So compare: Mayweather - Marquez
    and Pac - Cotto.

    See who gets the most numbers.

    Although Mayweather - Marquez is on Mexican independence day or something so the whole of Mexico will apparently be watching as that is a big day for boxing. F*ck... MAYWEATHER IS A CLEVER DUDE and knows how to twist things to his own advantage doesn't he.
     
  5. crosseyed

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    1. I don't really understand where the Arum percentage thing comes into it. I'm pretty sure that money will come out of Manny's end, not Floyd's. If Manny decided he wanted to spend 27 percent of his purse on fireworks what difference would that make to Floyd? Now I know Floyd hates Arum, but still, Arum will be getting his cut regardless of the split. This argument is a non-starter.

    2. I don't think either is doing the other a favor. Both Floyd and Manny can be happy with their careers thus far. They have both made a lot of money and have earned respect. And, in regard to legacy, fairly or not, Manny is seen as the fighter who takes on all comers, while people doubt Floyd's choices. I personally think Floyd gets too much grief, but from a historical perspective I think most would agree Floyd would take the bigger hit from not taking this fight.

    3. I just don't know if that's true any more. I suppose we'll have to see the numbers of their PPV's, but I do think two years off has made a big difference. This point is pretty speculative, there's really just no way to know. I tend to think two years off, plus the dramatic nature of Manny's last couple wins makes this unknowable.

    4. This seems like a moral judgement, Floyd did it first, thus he should get more. I don't really understand what it has to do with the economics of the situation.

    5. Again, this is more a moral argument than one about economics, but I'll disagree as well. I think it's unfair to Floyd, but because he has won so easily, and been favored in so many fights, people tend to dismiss him. Manny has taken so many hard fights, has a defining trilogy with Morales, the epic fights with Marquez, the unexpected triumphs against Barrera, Hoya, and Hatton, that he is more defined in people's minds. If he gets Cotto that is another huge notch.

    Floyd has been in many ways the more impressive fighter than Manny, but he hasn't been seen to be tested as much. He's been the favorite for most every fight since Chico, which was a long time ago. Even though he would be favored against Manny, there's such heat there I think it could define his late career.

    All this is neither here nor there though, the only thing that really matters is how much money they bring and that it's the biggest fight either could make. That's really the only point. If Floyd gets, lets say, a guaranteed 25 million for fighting Pac, none of the rest really makes any difference.
     
  6. GcIII

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    At the end of the day, the fight is a 50/50 written all over it. And I believe it will be Pac doing the concession, assuming Pac beats Cotto.
     
  7. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    why do you care that much, would you get some from floyd?
     
  8. Dom79

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    :lol::lol::rofl
     
  9. maryann

    maryann Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hatton was undefeated when he fought floyd. so it his followers were not as eager as when he fought pac. UK ppv sales for hatton/pac was horrible as compared to floyd which was a proof decline on followers enthusiam for hatton. but as regard to US sales not a big difference.

    as to pac/dlh, most people didn't bought that fight due to 1 reason: most people see that fight as a circus show, a total mismatch.

    pac doesn't need floyd. floyd needs pac. as proof pac name is always attached in floyds interviews. even on marquez/floyd fight promotion pac's name is always there.
     
  10. SRCP

    SRCP Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No.

    It should be 50/50.

    Thanks for playing.
     
  11. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    manny vs cotto is what is really going to help pacman out

    pacmans career prior to his last 3 fights is irrelevant in the conversation because back then nobody seriously considered pacman & floyd because they were in 2 different classes...

    and in his absence everyone was still calling this guy out

    from marg - shane - cotto - pw

    they all called him out

    and marquez bent right the **** over and didnt give a **** about this contractual ****... he just took the fight

    just like floyd did with oscar
     
  12. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like a real fighter, Floyd is not on top anymore. He has no right to be picky.
     
  13. Blue_Ray

    Blue_Ray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd needs marquee fighters like dela Hoya and Hatton to sell in PPVs. Before you say anything about his drawing power, let's wait for the results of his fight against Marquez and compare it to Pac-Cotto. It takes only a few months to find that out in this time of recession.
     
  14. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    but how can he not be on top?

    who has surpassed him?

    floyd beat hatton & odlh

    pacman JUST did that
    cotto... no
    shane.... no
    margarito ... no
    pw... no
    berto.... no
    jmm..... no


    if pacman beats cotto then we might be able to have some discussion about floyd being surpassed.... but until then nobody has surpassed floyd..

    especially pacman... its not about where he started thats irrelevant... its about what he is doing now... and what he is doing now is still not more than what floyd already did 2 years ago
     
  15. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    so then why did pacman not outsell floyd twice?

    and his #'s against odlh SHITTTTTTEEDDD on pacmans #'s against dlh