A Comparison Usyk 1st 16 Fights v Marciano's

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Marciano certainly wasn't matched to lose in his first 16 fights ,in his 15th fight his opponent was9-15-1, and you are only going off one off the cuff remark from Sam Silverman anyway. Marciano's manager was the Garden matchmaker do you really think he wanted his investment to lose?
    Let's look at some facts.
    Marciano's 20th fight.
    Tommy Di Gorgio 9-9-0 Had lost last 3 and won 1 of last 6.

    Marciano's 22nd fight.
    Joe Dominic18-10-0 Having his second to last fight .Had won 2 of last 7.

    Marciano's 27th fight.
    Eldridge Eatman22-20-5.Having last fight.Had lost previous 3 and won 1 of last 8.

    Matched to lose.lol
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I don't think this really means much. It says more about how they were managed than anything else.

    Jeffries's first 20 is also much more impressive than Rocky's.

    Plus Rocky had 20 pro fights at a similar age to Usyk when he turned pro.
     
  3. janitor

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    Quinn was meant to beat him, and so was Ross.

    He was put in those fights, with the purpose of giving them another win.

    It was only after he beat them, that his handlers decided that it might be worth pushing him as a going concern.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Primary source for this please.
     
  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's fairly typical for today's boxers (well - those being groomed for the top-flight), to be accelerated through the available levels and, at the same time, be less active, in terms of fights per year. So, on paper, it would look like fighters are dropped in at the deep-end much earlier on.

    In this case, I think one could also lean towards Usyk as having done/shown more in his first 16 bouts than Rocky did in his, quite confidently. However, as to whether this perspective challenges/negates the opinion that Marciano, in his pomp, would be a bridge too far for Usyk, at this early stage in his career - I am not convinced.

    I am not sure that Usyk's wins over Huck, Breidis, Gassiev and Bellew get me there.
     
  6. janitor

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    The claim is made by Sam Silverman, quoted in "Unbeaten, Rocky Marciano's quest for perfection in a crooked world" by Mike Stanton.