A couple thoughts about Pacquiao's prospective opponents, from a Pacquiao fan

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  1. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers Kimbo #1 P4P Full Member

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    Just to preface this: this is not in any way a backhanded attempt to discredit Floyd Mayweather.

    1. Juan Manuel Marquez - trying to bring JMM up to 147 is ****ing shameful. I'm almost inclined to say it's a duck move. I know the Floyd haters will say "Floyd did it!" but Floyd probably can't comfortably make a more reasonable weight for a fight with a guy moving up.

    147 is not even Pacquiao's best weight. You won't fight Cotto above 145, but now you won't come a pound under 147 for JMM? Even though you've never even weighed over 145 at a weigh-in anyway? Bull****. I think GBP was offering a 144lb catchweight which is actually generous. Hopefully Marquez won't needlessly bloat himself again knowing that there will only be a 5-6lb weight difference in the ring regardless of the contracted weight.

    I'm tempted to believe that Team Pacquiao is concerned with more "catchweight" backlash, but then they're going about it the wrong way. This fight should be made at 140 or not at all. It's a perfectly fair weight for both of them and I think we'll see them both at their current best at that weight. Marquez has been quoted as saying he's planning a move to 140 anyway.

    Honestly, if Pacquiao isn't willing to fight below 147, I don't see why he should deserve any credit for beating bigger guys at the weight, if he truly feels that's where he's at his best. He'll still get credit for beating the top guys at his weight class but no additional "wow he's so small" **** should be talked anymore. It'd be a double standard.




    2. Shane Mosley - this actually seems like a lose-lose fight to me. Shane is clearly past it. I've felt this way since the Mayorga fight. Yes, he had a great performance against Margarito but I'm still of the mindset that Tony was mentally ruined going into that fight after being exposed as a cheat. Good performance by Mosley, but he didn't look any better to me there than he did against, say, Cotto.

    So look at it this way: Shane's last 5 fights, dating back 3 years now - a competitive loss to Cotto (but a loss regardless), a poor performance that generally goes ignored because of the literally last second KO against Mayorga (who was actually OUTBOXING Shane for most of the fight), a dominant defeat over a man who came into the ring already defeated, a pathetic display against Mayweather, and a slightly better but still generally pathetic display against Mora. So what does that leave for Pacquiao?

    A 39-year-old shell of Shane Mosley. I mean if you thought Shane was old when Floyd fought him, what is he a year and 2 poor performances later? Shane is done, and probably shouldn't be fighting top-level opponents anymore. BUT, he still has a chance to KO Pacquiao. That could very well be the outcome of that fight.

    So what, really, would he stand to gain fighting Mosley at this point? Another ~1 million PPVs? I'm convinced Pacquiao will sell that against ANY opponent with the proper marketing (e.g. 24/7). He either dominates an older, worse Shane Mosley than Mayweather already dominated in front of 1.4 million people, or he gets KOed by an older, worse Shane Mosley. And I don't think the fight would match Mayweather-Mosley's PPV numbers at this point, either, with how badly Shane has looked recently.

    The only thing he could do to one-up Floyd in this case would be to KO Shane, which even at this point seems highly unlikely. And if he were able to, would that be more of an indication that Pacquiao is great or that Mosley needs to retire?


    I don't know, I think I'm rambling at this point. I guess what I'm trying to say is:

    1. Pacquiao-JMM @ 140
    2. Pacquiao-Berto @ 147
    3. Pacquiao-Bradley/Alexander @ 140


    Anything else would be uncivilized.
     
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  2. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    I actually agree 100%. Good Post!
     
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  3. perspicacity

    perspicacity Raising The Bar Full Member

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    He's fighting Mosley at 147 .... get over it.

    Probably KO Sugar inside 8 ...
     
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  4. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It doesn't really matter who he fights next if it's not that wife beater mayweather. He will get criticize no matter who he fights not name mayweather.

    Marquez- too small-too old-not his weight class
    Mosley- Too old- loss to mayweather already
    Berto - Not proven enough-too green etc

    So it doesn't really matter who he fights next. If it ain't mayweather, haters will always come up with excuses.
     
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  5. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Anyone but Mosley.
     
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  6. Polo28

    Polo28 Active Member Full Member

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    good points....good post
     
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  7. FraggleRock

    FraggleRock Member Full Member

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    Not Mosley. It's highly unlikely to be Mayweather cos of the court case. While I wouldn't want to see a JMM fight at 147, the chances are he wouldn't need to try and bulk up to reach the weight as there wouldn't be much of a difference in the ring on fight night, so it wouldn't be as much of an issue/
     
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  8. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Marquez was 145 on fight night for his last fight, and emmanuel was 148.
     
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  9. FraggleRock

    FraggleRock Member Full Member

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    So really if they were to fight at 147 it shouldn't be an issue, it just means neither has to dehydrate themselves to make weight. I wouldn't mind seeing JMM-Pac III, its more interesting then most other fights out there outside of a Floyd fight because of the style match up IMO
     
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  10. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    I think it'd behoove marquez to take the 147 limit. Manny more than likely won't even be 147 for the weigh in. he practically walks off the street and into the ring as far as his weight goes. they'd be close as far as in-ring weight goes. neither of them will be at full welter until the actual fight.

    As far as fighting Shane, yech. Pass.

    Fighting berto? Eh. Unified champ as a welterweight would look good on him. I still think Shane and Berto should fight since they were originally going to anyways.
     
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  11. Swansea Osprey

    Swansea Osprey Active Member Full Member

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    Cant argue with this , I still dont understand why he made Cotto come down to 145 ?:bart
     
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  12. gyll

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    Pac gets no credit for defeating Shane. None whatsoever. Shane already had his opportunity against Floyd not too long ago. Mosley then comes away with a draw against a very average fighter in Mora. As a result Shane shouldn't have a shot against Pac unless he's coming off a very impressive win. Mosley may get in line but he doesn't deserve to be top choice.

    Team Pac bypassed Malignaggi because they were too concerned for his health which sounds logical. So let me get this straight - because Shane is a somewhat of a huge draw they're not considering Pac being a huge health hazard to a 40 yr-old man who clearly has terrible stamina? Sounds pretty unethical to me.

    I don't want to hear nonsense like, "It's possible for Shane to KO Pac." JMM has a better chance at outboxing Pac than Shane landing a lucky haymaker. And that's closer to fact than opinion. We want to see a competitive fight. That's the bottom line.
     
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  13. garfios

    garfios Dark Lord Full Member

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    Why not fight Martinez or Williams at 154, after all he is the Belt holder at that weight, they both r closest to their prime than Mosley or Marquez, SM is done, you can stick a fork on him, and Marquez is almost 38 yeras old and slowing down, is time for Pacquio to show some balls, and fight a real threat, not damaged goods.
     
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  14. garfios

    garfios Dark Lord Full Member

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    When t comes to Pacroid, their fans and their handlers are double standard. Hypocrites
     
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  15. dvb

    dvb Well-Known Member Full Member

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    bradley berto and alexander havent beaten anyone good enough,or performed good enough for long enough to suggest that they would make a fight difficult for manny.

    also thier even less known than mosley and marquez.

    floyd is the one not making himself avialable to fight at this current time.
     
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