A crash course on testosterone, hypgonadism, and doping

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  1. Sp_Immortal

    Sp_Immortal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It should be promptly noted that, at most, around 2% of adult males naturally suffer from hypogonadism.

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    Yeah, and those are the numbers for the general population. The number of high level fighters that naturally have low T is probably zero. They would have never made it far in the sport with the disadvantages that low T would cause.
     
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  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Thanks for the summary.
     
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  3. TomUK

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    It would be interesting to know the percentage of fighters "suffering" with low testosterone levels. I'll bet my 75 vcash its more than 2%
     
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  4. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is it also not true that there really is no "normal" testoterone levels ?

    For example a large african man and a small asian man will have different levels - true or not ?


    Is it also not a little known fact that - basically- you can get testosterone and GH from your doctor legally and all you are doing is basically paying top dollar to get the same old stuff except you cannot be prosecuted


    Just fly to vegas and tell him you feel "low" ask for bloodwork and get out the $$$
     
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  5. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Worth a watch :


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23E7GIgRBo0[/ame]
     
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  6. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Brilliant read. Thanks.
     
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  7. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Wrong ,Wrong ,Wrong ..Most steroid users get muscles ,he actually got fatter :hey
     
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  8. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually think its higher in the general population than 2%.

    Let's start:

    How many people get tested for hypogonadism ?

    First, let's cross off all those that don't have insurance. That's a big amount.

    Next, lets' cross off all those that do have insurance but rarely if ever go to get a check-up. And when they do, how many of those patients get full blood work done on their hormones ? Not many. Especially from the ages of 18-35 (or even older).

    And if and when they do get checked, how many are actually "low" but aren't treated. Now this is a bit more complex and broad:

    The numbers vary widely actually on being diagnosed with hypogonadism and it depends on which Doctor is using which chart. Some I've read vary from say, 300-1000 as normal and others are around say, 250-850 as normal. First, look at how wide that is: 300-1000. That's a lot. And it doesn't factor in those that have dropped from say the high to the lower part that are feeling the affects that could be mentally and physically troubling. Basically, not everyone is made the same and each patient has to be evaluated as an individual case. So its better to get checked when young and healthy and they keep that as a start reference to see later on if anything has changed. If you don't, the Doctor will more than likely lump you in with the average which means...that skinny college kid that is 5'4, 115 pound who can't grow facial or body-hair that got tested in some random college testing is in the mix.

    And the fact that I've seen charts that have lowered their numbers to determine what is "normal" is obscene. And what was the reason given? Because "everybody's testosterone is lowering so it only makes sense for us to lower the average. Now if that's true, that the average is lowering in the general population, that's concerning because you need to know the cause.

    Why are some lowering: It's being studied. It can be from food/chemical contamination, to environmental pollution, to rise of obesity, genetic triggers, supplement usage, etc.

    Some doctors refuse to treat because they are bias.


    Long discussion on this.

    So I would say its a bigger problem than people think. however, for elite "athletes" that make it to that level, maybe no so much. It's kinda hard for me to believe someone made it to that level in "certain" sports with low T-levels. Unless, they fall under the listing that was seen in this article and after years in the sports. So I would say the younger and newer the athlete is, it is unlikely, but the older and more wear and tear the athlete is and is exposed to the most of things that are listed (since I'm not counting Steroid use), it can be higher. But it overall wouldn't be "high." Not for someone in their 20's. But more studies should be done with these athletes to see what affects these sports have on the body.



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  9. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    FIFA conducting study on natural testosterone levels in various ethnic groups

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2007-06-13-188957636_x.htm
     
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  10. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Informative stuff that bud. Thanks.
     
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  11. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So biased and obviously anti-steroids. Using TRT doesn't help get your natural test levels back. It shuts them down.
    TRT is a god send for people that really need it.
     
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  12. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    There are all sorts of illegal drugs that make you feel better too. ****, if I could just take anything that makes feel better.......:D

    What none of these people mention, because the are drug pushers, is that proper diet and EXERCISE has been show to be of benefit too. But now, a pill is easier.
     
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  13. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I seen this movie and it was very eye opening on the topic. I for one am for it, but if I were boxing or MMA, I would not use it. The female doctor was correct, but she is leaving out that it makes you as strong as an animal. Well, some do. If Paulie were to use some mix of just say Tren/Test E/Anadral and then fight, he will have some serious strength and could possibly get some KO's. Who really knows how deep this goes as far as how many athletes have use and which sports. Just start testing and I know it is expensive though. So lower level and up and comers might not be tested due to finance. Big time fighters should all be tested for now on.
     
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  14. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A fighter on TRT has no advantage if he truly needs it and not taking advantage of it. And if he is his test levels will simply read above the high average and he's busted.
    A true patient on TRT has the same test levels as the healthy man they're facing off against. There's no advantage.
     
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  15. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You have to see the whole movie. Of course you have to exercise and eat better. I have done cycles of both and it does work. Better sleep, recovery, skin, lost of weight, libido, and I just feel great. Used after some injuries. It gets harder as you get older to do the exercising your are use to. I'm in my mid forties.
     
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