A discussion on scoring (part 1: defense, ring generalship, and effective aggression)

Consider the following hypothetical round, and then vote as to who ought to win this round:

- Neither fighter lands a punch at all.
- Accurate punch-stats: Fighter A 0/80, Fighter B 0/10
- Fighter A spent the round trying to walk down Fighter B while throwing a lot of punches.
- Fighter B spent the round either running away from A or slipping his punches. He successfully evaded all of Fighter A's punches in these ways, however all his 10 attempts to counter missed also.

If you are convinced that either A or B should win the round, please also consider whether one or two landed punches of any quality would swing the round the other way.

Discuss!

 

Good topic.

 

I will vote for the guy
Pressing the action as the other guy is just using footwork and based on the scenario it sounds like he's even avoiding engaging with the other boxer and also missing. Would hate
to sit through 10 or 12 rounds of that horse szhit

 

Voted 10-10 in your case.

 

it would be correctly scored 10-10. it SHOULD be scored 10-9 for fighter A. the spirit of combat is too often unrewarded in the COMBAT SPORT of boxing.

 

Clean punching/effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense are all part of the scoring criteria. A lot of people make the mistake of scoring rounds purely based on which fighter was the aggressor, but If neither guy lands a single punch then the aggressor was not effective. You then have to look at who was in control. A lot of people assume that the aggressor is always the ring general, but that's also not the case. If neither fighter was in control more than the other, you then have to give the round to the fighter with better defense. This is how you score a fight.

 

You can't throw 80 punches and not hit arms, fighter A is the clear winner

 

The fighter trying to win> The fighter trying not too lose...

 

Most Judges and Commentators would give it a Draw , as i would. because you can't punish the defensive fighter for making his opponents miss ,cause that's part of boxing and that is what he is taught and really both fighters were using great defense cause no fighter landed punches but both fighters were doing it a different ways.

So that round should be a Draw cause the aggressor was not effective by landing punches on the defensive boxer and the defensive dancing around the ring counter puncher was not effective on landing counter punches .

But some fans and some boxing scorers like Jim L and others will score it for the aggressor .

Thats why we have such overwhelmingly different scoring from different people and it is because they are just their fans and they vote their way.

I ask all of you a question you have 2 Basketball-teams both are playing great defense and in 1 quarter neither team scores a point and one team was using the fast break and the other was pounding it on the inside.

What team won the first quarter?

Neither team , why no points were scored .

NEITHER BOXER LANDED, NO POINTS WHERE SCORED. BOTH FIGHTERS WERE USING DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEFENSE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
Then its a 10/10 round a Draw
END OF DISCUSSION

 

Even if one fighter was throwing and the other fighter didn't throw punches. but the fighter throwing and missed all his punches . That round is still a draw because one fighter is using aggression but it's not effective he didn't land

The other fighter was using effective defense and head movement, but he didn't throw a counter punch cause he was in with Mike Tyson and i can't blame him he hits hard as hell . But Mike didn't land a punch so he can't win that round. Cause the other fighters effective defense made that round a Draw cause defense is also apart of boxing. But it has to be clean effective defense not holding for dear life . Mohamed Ali type of defense moving boxing head movement dancing around great footwork and ring control using the ring.

No points were scored 10/10 round

One was using effective defense and the other was using the aggressor but the aggressor didn't score any points

In Football and basketball and Boxing . Its defense and its offense that wins you games and fights but if neither team or boxer scores a point or neither fighter lands a punch and it ends its a Draw in boxing and goes to overtime in the other two sports

 

You can't punish a fighter cause hes a boxer using his legs that he was trained to do by his trainer and was born with like Ali and reward the Brawler cause that's his style and thats what you like as a fan .

You can't punish the Brawler cause you like fighters like Ali and give the round to the boxer.

You have to score it on effective aggressiveness, landing punches, cutting off the ring, setting traps,cleaner harder punches, body work and the jab, inside work, controlling the round and the ring and His Defense .

But if he is being aggressive and throwing like Tyson but getting his asss beat like what Buster Douglas the boxer was doing to him. Tyson loses that round .

Then you have to score it for the counter puncher Boxer on effective counter punches, landing punches, cutting off the ring, setting traps, cleaner harder punches, body work and the jab, inside work controlling the round and the ring and His Defense .

But if he is being defensive and throwing but getting his asss beat like what Mike Tyson was doing to Michael Spinks . Spinks loses that round .

 

Here's the right answer and there's no reason to further debate this.

 

as a judge i will be violating the 10 point must system rule. and scoring that round 10-10

fighter A looks good throwing flurries and coming forward, fighter B looks good doing his Ali shuffle and fancy footwork. Ok great show I am impressed. But this is a fight you have to land to score and score to win.

defence, ring generalship, effective aggression are used as subjective components to decide close rounds where there was scoring by both A and B.

 

What do you think the 10 point must system means because giving both fighters 10 points isn't violating it