A discussion on scoring (part 2: time vs punch-stats)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by KiwiMan, Oct 5, 2017.


Who wins the round?

  1. Fighter A: He landed one more meaningful punch.

    17.6%
  2. 10-10: There is no clear winner

    11.8%
  3. Fighter B: He won most of the round (2:45 of 3 minutes)

    52.9%
  4. It depends (please explain yourself if you vote for this option)

    17.6%
  1. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another hypothetical round to consider:

    - Fighter A throws exactly nothing for 2:45 of the round. In that period he is mostly moving away but still gets hit by 5 punches.
    - However, in the other 15 seconds, he and Fighter B go to war. Fighter A throws a ton punches and gets the best of it landing 11 scoring punches to Fighter B's 5.
    - Accurate punch-stats: Fighter A 11/40, Fighter B 10/40
    - All punches are of equal weight and neither fighter gets buzzed or hurt at all.

    Who wins the round?
     
  2. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I score rounds by thirds. Arthur Mercante used to do this. The fighter who wins the minute gets a point. If no fighter wins the minute it's a tied minute.

    So I can't answer the question based on your information, except to say that it sounds like Fighter A won the last minute.
     
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  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    it would be correctly scored 10-9 for fighter a. It SHOULD be scored even, because without fighter b making the fight, there are no prize fighters in the ring.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Fighter B, because he was the ring general, pressed the issue as in actually tried and landed almost equal the number of shots, I'm not going to fall for some last 10 second steal attempt with a flurry.
     
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  5. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    I kind of actually agree. A last little flurry doing f all for 90% of a round shouldn't win the round, but to be fair I would have to still see it in action because in real life the other guy must have done slightly more than nothing for 90% of the round so maybe that shouldn't win a round either.

    Could be a 10-10
     
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  6. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    The reality is that the judges don't actually count the shots so I would imagine they would rate the last exchange as even but for the remainder of the round scored to to B..

    Scoring is hard!!!
     
  7. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oscar made a career of trying to steal rounds with a last 10 second shoeshine flurry. One would think judges (and fans who think they are smart) would be able to differentiate an attention stealing flurry from a legitimate combination that does damage. Too many here don't.
     
  8. tekkennlee

    tekkennlee Member Full Member

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    Fighter A wins the round.

    We don't give extra points for going forward or defense or other boxing styles.

    There is no extra points given to a boxer for being over aggressive in a fight or slipping more punches in a fight and so on.

    It's only effective aggressiveness landing punches wile being aggressive and defensive like Chavez Sr. thats his style.

    It's only effective counter punches, landing punches wile being defensive and aggressive like Pernell Whitaker thats his style.

    It's scoring points if fighter B, can't hit fighter A, and fighter A, lands 1 more punch then fighter B, then fighter A wins the round. Even if fighter B goes on a 20 punch flurry but doesn't land but still comes close or even hits arms and shoulders. those punches are not clean effective punches. like punches landing on point scoring places like the head and on the body ribs liver chest stomach and so on.
     
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  9. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ggg and canelo had these crazy rounds. canelo comes out blazing at start of round then rest for the remainder of round, then ggg would come on doing what he does. this fight was hard to score and the 6th and 12th round were impossible for me and I just gave it to the most effective punches.
     
  10. Northadox

    Northadox Active Member Full Member

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    Hmm, i think it would be a lot harder to score in reality. In your scenario we have the stats whereas in the fight we'd just see no punches landed from fighter A and then a war and probably not get an accurate idea of who landed what

    On the above information I think id go with fighter A because we know he landed more. In reality, when fighters go to war I have no idea who's landing what; So I'd probably have gone for fighter B if I was watching live.