A discussion on the Olympians

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  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    My personal opinion is at least one of these has got to become a world champion on sheer odds, leaning towards Warren's bunch ahead of Jefferies. 4 really talented guys, one will surely come good and its exciting for British boxing.

    Tell me about each...

    What do you think of each individual fighter...Strengths and weaknesses?

    How far do you think each will go?

    Rank them on current and potential ability.

    Predict away.
     
  2. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    I think DeGale has the most raw ability, so I put him.

    Gavin at this stage is the most polished of the lot at the moment, and saunders is my favorite to watch.

    All very talented fighters more than capable if they improve of winning an alphabet belt.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    This is what I love about these guys, everyone has a different opinion.

    My personal opinion is that as of right now, this second, Tony Jeffries is the best because he's fully filled out physically and matured. I wouldn't feel that worried throwing him in with a good light heavyweight as I would with the others. However, I'd say he has the least raw potential of the four and I think his scope for improvement is the least.
     
  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Glass jawed hype jobs, exposed as soon as they step up.

    Nah, I haven't seen much of them, but BJS seems to have the best all-round range of attributes.
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    My doubts about Gypsy Joe are his waist. He doesn't exactly look like he's been training his ass off, if he can't get into shape when he's starting his pro career when will we? Is the dedication truely there, beyond the bluster of his post-match interviews?

    Also, I don't know what weight he plans to fight on with the above in mind. He is NO super middleweight, hell I don't even think he's a middleweight. He should be fighting at welter and growing into junior middle considering he's 19, but he's already well bloated.
     
  6. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    degale
    saunders
    jeffries
    gavin

    degale is gonna succeed more than all of them, gavin just doesnt seem to have much more than what he has shown us
     
  7. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd agree with that. I think his KO power will stay with him as the class of his opponents steps up as well. On raw ability alone, I'd say Gavin is probably the most naturally gifted but DeGale has come on leaps and bounds since his debut 'performance'. What I liked most about Degale's win yesterday was immediately afterwards he went to his corner and asked how his performance was- admittedly this probably has something to do with his ego as well but I still liked it.
     
  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I agree that he is oddly underdevloped physcially. He seems to be masquerading as a super middleweight, and doesn't look comfortable carrying that extra puppy fat. If he doesn't fill out naturally and progressively, he's really going nowhere.

    But if were talking about boxing attributes rather than physicality at this stage, I find him quite impressive. He's got a low centre of gravity, and nice balance. His aggression is controlled and he doesn't leave himself wide open by flailing around trying to land that extra shot.

    But like said, I haven't seen much of any of them outside the Olympics.
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I was most impressed with Gavin last night.

    Picked his shots nicely, albeit against a pretty weak opponent.

    I'd like to see him and Sutherland matched pretty tough over the next 18 months - as well as the others.

    You may as well find out which ones have it and which ones don't.
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I disagree with that, Gavin has changed quite a lot since his debut.

    On his debut he was too eager to show he'd 'adapted' to the pros, and prove he had power and bodyshots in his armoury. It resulted in him getting clipped a few times.

    Last night he just relaxed and got back to what he's always been, an elusive boxer. Last night was his best performance, he didn't get hit once and picked his shots perfectly behind a nice jab.
     
  11. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    DeGale has ability and will cause fighters trouble with his slickness he may with the right matchmaking go all the way imo. Potential World Champion

    Gavin not impressed last night to me was his best display but he will get beaten at good level. He's easy to hit and against a good level fighter will fall short. He moves over to one side and stays in front of opponent. Potential Britsh,Commonwealth,European Titles But Loses At World Level.

    Billy Joe looks to struggle to train properly. There's a video of Tibbs showing him how to throw a jab properly. His weight is not right and i feel his style will engage him in wars and against a good slick yet tough opponent Billy Joe gets beat. British Commonwealth Level but loses at World Level.

    Jefferies may win a european title at best but i think leaving Joe Gallagher was a bad choice and i think once in a proper fight we will see the defensive side of his game exploited. European level is pushing it but maybe if he improves.

    DeGale may have his haters but he may be the one with the style to be the best pro.
     
  12. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It's funny that after DeGale's debut everybody said he had made a terrible transition to the pros and will never make it. Too much of a slapper and poser they said.

    Things change pretty quickly.

    The best style for the pros is the one where you hit and don't get hit and DeGale has the best attributes to do that. He is the best counterpuncher of the lot and nobody likes facing an expert counterpuncher. When DeGale faces an aggressive opponent, I'll use Sutherland just for kicks, he will look a world beater IMO.
     
  13. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I don't think DeGale has got any grit. First war he gets dragged into, he'll fold. I think he's one of those fighters who looks good when he's on his game, but as soon as an opponent drags him into a proper fight, he'll go to pieces pretty quickly. Dude nearly started crying when got booed ffs, his mental 'toughness' is actually very fragile IMO.
     
  14. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    he is not good enough to keep stronger fighters off him by fighting elusively, had he a little more power it would be different but he is kind of stuck in the middle, a strong fighter will be able to walk him down eventually
     
  15. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    I see what your saying but that remains to be seen at the moment he has potentially a good skillset and with time will improve and may pick up a world title imo. It will take a good thinking fighter to beat him. I feel if Warren matches him well he can make it to a world title. If he puts him in with a smart pressure fighter i agree he may fold but we haven't seen him in that fight yet we can only predict.