A disturbing trend among heavyweight contenders, especially Tyson Fury. Update 4/17/19

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    This thread is not about Wilder and Joshua. They at least fight ranked opposition. I'm talking about the rest of the top ten. There's a trend among them to fight middling guys somewhere in the top 40 or lose in a title shot, with little in between:

    Pulev--He just reminded a US audience that he knows how to fight, but hasn't fought a decent top ten contender since Dimitrenko in 2012.

    Ortiz--Like Pulev, he fought one decent top ten contender, and it was in 2015. He gets somewhat of a pass for having fought Wilder last year before being ducked twice by Whyte in potential WBC eliminators. He gets no pass for squandering prime years before the Jennings fight.

    Whyte--Beat a single top ten contender via headbutt induced knockdown, and made sure the opponent was the softest guy in the top ten and coming off a loss. Ducked Luis Ortiz twice to establish a WBC mandatory. Followed this by ducking Joshua. Now wants to take the WBC to court to establish himself as the mandatory despite ducking Ortiz twice in 2018 in order to earn that position. **** this confused diva.

    Povetkin--Looks like he's willing to fight contenders on the surface. In reality, he's secluded himself in Moscow and not beaten a single top ten contender other than Mike Perez within the last 7 years.

    Miller/Breazeale--Fought zero top ten contenders, but still clawed their way to title shots, twice in Breazeale's case

    Tyson Fury--The worst perpetrator of all. For all you UK idiots, Fury has yet to fight a single top ten contender and, as we all know, has now had second thoughts about fighting for the heavyweight championship after getting his head bounced off the canvas in front of a worldwide audience. A clown and a coward.

    Joseph Parker's resume looks like Evander Holyfield's compared to these slime balls.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know what **** your smoking if you think Wilder, Klitschko and Chisora (second time) aren't top 10 opponents at the time he beat them, but I desperately want some
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Do you not understand the premise of the thread? Wilder and Wlad were not contenders. Chisora is lifetime top twenty material.

    Keep lying to yourself that Fury beat Wilder in order to justify his duck. He gets no respect for his actions in 2019.
     
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  4. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    two of those are title shots. you must have scored something good to smoke, because your comprehension is garbage.
     
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  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can see how they work imo?Fury and Wilder both fought each other with no loss for either so time to solidify against some duffers in Furys case.That said pro boxing has always been about beating those lesser guys inbetween the big fights.Haglers career isn't a long list of greats inbetween his obvious ones.
     
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  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    There is no comparison between Marvin Hagler and a bunch of guys who have beaten 0-1 top ten contenders.

    4/8 of these guys were caught using PED's.
     
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  7. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not to mention he was literally contracted to fight Haye before Haye pulled out.
     
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  8. destruction

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    In terms of the top 10 HWs facing the best - most of them have. You make some truly bizarre statements, so I will go through each and objectively rate them.

    Pulev- Fought Wladimir Klitchko who was the undisputed champion at the time in 2014, and has been rebuilding since then. Took on Hughie Fury who is a solid top 20 opponent, and prior to that Chisora who is solid top 20. Solid resume, hasnt avoided too many fights out there.

    Ortiz- Has faced both Jennings and Wilder. Wilder being top 5, and Jennings around top 20. His level of opposition has been too weak overall.

    Whyte- Has a superb resume but is being shat on by you for some strange reason. Has fought AJ who is now number 1. Chisora top 20 x 2. Parker top 10. All in only 26 fights.

    Povetkin- Fought the undisputed number 1 Klitschko and lost and has been rebuilding since. Has faced a decent level of opponent since then in Wach, Takam, Perez and Hammer. Was blatently ducked by Wilder recently.

    Miller- Has fought NOBODY- agree. But is the big hyped up American and will sell tickets being the B side to AJ

    Breazeale- Fought the number 1 in AJ. Also took on very tough challenger in Ugonuh, so happy with his level of opposition. Is now facing top 3 Wilder.

    Fury- Hasnt fought a single top 10 contender according to your bizarre statement. Yet faced the number 1 in Klitschko at the time, and the number 2 in Wilder recently. Also beat top 20 Chisora and Hammer.
     
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    Besides the Fury part (I understand what youre saying, I just dont think it matters so much. When youre fighting champions instead of contenders, Im ok with that.)

    But the rest of your post I do agree.

    Wish more contenders fought eachother.
     
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  10. MorvidusStyle

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    'Especially Fury'. He's been one of the most inactive HW for the last 5 years through not only his own breakdowns but all sorts of pullouts. He tried to fight Haye, fought Klitschko and Wilder. Fought two world title eliminators. How much can he squeeze into basically a few years of activity one he was matured as a pro? He's only 30, do people even realise this? He spent a whole year getting RIcky Hatton off his belly and still came in fat to fight Wilder. Let's see his record when he's 40-ish like Ortiz. I dare say his opponents will be a lot more impressive.
     
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  11. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's hard to blame these guys,given how folk react to a loss or two nowadays it's understandable that one would want to make the most money with the least risk.
    The problem I have is believing what I'm seeing,Wilder and Fury took a risk and both came away with a draw,swear these things are fixed?
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury might've ducked Wilder, but he got well paid for it

    And in a good 75% of the boxing World's eyes, Fury did win. Okeydoke I might've got the premise of the thread wrong, but your mistaken if your thing Chisora wasn't top top at any point (he was at that point and for Whyte) and you kindly neglected to mention that Fury beating Wlad is the most impressive win in the division today, also he has a better record than Wilder
     
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  13. Geo1122

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    The problem that you have with this premise is that even if you have a couple of brave top 10 opponents, it’s not really fair to throw them under the bus, if others won’t fight.

    So many of them are manoeuvring for their big payday fight that they dare not risk it, but then it means that those that dare risk it cannot find an opponent, so get painted with the same brush.
     
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  14. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson Fury has fought 2 champions in his last 4 fights, that isn't bad. If you're fighting champions instead of contenders, that's fine.

    I don't like his new opponent though, Schwarz is just a punching bag.
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Not to mention he refused rematches with Wlad and Wilder. **** Fury.
     
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