A few unbiased views post-Super 6 finale.

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  1. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    Despite not likely Ward and being a fan of Bute here are my views on S6.

    #1:

    Ward Has Earned his spot as 1# Super Middleweight as of now:
    I'll face it, Ward has worked hard to get where he is, Bet Kessler, Froch, and Abraham. And despite hating the way he did it and feeling he is unentertaining, He has managed to outwork and outclass his opponents most of the time. And also despite the fact I believe Bute could beat everyone on Ward's list and likely even him. I will say Ward has proved way more then Bute has in recent years and deserves this spot.

    Froch, Despite being 34 has a few good years yet:
    Froch did bad in that fight, He mostly got outworked with Ward's better handspeed and skillset. But he is still a world class fighter with many good bouts there for him including Kessler 2, Dirrell 2 and Bute.

    Ward Has 1 major issue to work on, Stamina.: Despite doing great last night, Outworking and outclassing Froch for most of the fight, He got tired in the late rounds. In 12 he looked horrible, He even spit out his mouthpiece. He needs to make sure he works on his stamina just like Bute did after Andrade 1.

    Horrible Scorecards: Ward dominated that fight, Won 1-6, Lost 2-3 of the late rounds because he started to gas out. These 115-113 cards are horrible.

    Bute is the only legit opponent for Ward: Both Dirrell Bros get outclassed, Anthony is too green anyways. Kessler lost clearly, Don't care to see it again. Bute is the only matchup I care to see with Ward at 168 Lbs. He is the 2nd best SMW now in my book so lets get Bute-Ward going. In my opinion this matchup is close. And both fighters are ready so lets end the question mark on who is the best.

    The winner of a Bute-Ward matchup has many good fights at Light Heavyweight, Winner needs to move up:
    Tavoris Cloud, Gabriel Campillo, Jean Pascal, B-Hop, Erdei, ect. There are good matchups for the future at Super Middleweight like Maderna, Thomas Oosthuizen, Adonis Stevenson, Anthony Dirrell, Andre Dirrell, ect. but they can move between weights once these fighters get more experience. Or if they could, Move down for a Martinez super-fight.

    Ward Has hit P4P, But not Top 5.: I'd say 6-8 for now.

    New Rankings:
    1. Andre Ward
    2. Lucian Bute
    3. Mikkel Kessler
    4. Carl Froch
    5. Andre Dirrell
    6. Glen Johnson
    7. George Groves
    8. Adonis Stevenson
    9. Robert Stieglitz
    10. Thomas Oosthuizen

    ( NOTE: Most difficult division to rank. )
     
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  2. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really good post as usual :good
     
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  3. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    Damn it hurts to say Bute is better then Ward as of now. But I did call it " A few unbiased views post-Super 6 finale. ". Maybe I should make a Bute Fan Troll thread now. :lol:
     
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  4. Tyler-Durden

    Tyler-Durden Boxing Junkie banned

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    :clap::clap::clap:

    Good post and good top 10.
     
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  5. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    I think anthony dirrell gets outclassed, but andre if he gets back to old form poses the most problems to ward other than bute, his size, speed and athleticism mainly, might be able to throw ward off. ward even said it himself in an episode of fight camp 360. personally I'm not totally sure the fight would happen anyway seeing as they're good friends.
     
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  6. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl

    keep it like this , it's perfect :yep
     
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  7. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only 2 boxers at 168lbs that could give Ward his first defeat are Dirrell (Andre) and Bute IMO
     
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  8. Steenalized

    Steenalized Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good breakdown!
     
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  9. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    :good
     
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  10. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True that!

    Was kinda surprised of the stamina issues but Froch applies tremendous physical pressure, so it's not a biggie. What he lacks is charisma. He seems like a humble, silent dude but that doesn't mean he can't have star characteristics, think Maravilla who handles the Mic well.
     
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  11. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ward schools Bute same as Froch. Andre Dirrell has the natural talent to test Ward, but he's not as focused and disciplined. In my less than humble opinion, I think Dirrell would be Ward's stiffest challenge by far. The straight-up Euro fighters he's been schooling are tailor-made for him. 175 is another world. Unclear how Ward's skills will translate 7lbs higher. Dawson is underrated same as Ward used to be underrated.
     
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  12. PityTheFool

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    That's an excellent breakdown Samurai.
    Top drawer.
     
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  13. Phys

    Phys Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, a couple of days ago I said Only issue for Ward is his late stamina.
    (Some like Miranda have stamina problems in each Rd if they throw too
    much)
     
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  14. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    :good Froch isn't the most tactal fighter. Great at pressure fighting as you said. That gives almost everyone trouble, But Ward can't have things like what happened late in last nights fight happen again. He may head down the Bute-Andrade 1 road if he does.
     
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  15. lefty

    lefty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward has stamina issues? You people are ****ing insane, Ward is probably the best conditioned athlete in boxing. When you fight with his intensity, physicality and focus then even superman is going to be feeling it by the end of the fight. Would you prefer him to not exert himself so he looks fresh at the end? He is consantly moving and fighting on the inside and outside, he gives it all. As a boxer should. If a boxer looks fresh at the end of twelve rounds it means he couldve fought at a higher intensity.
     
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