A few valid points about Haye Wlad

I was in the vip area and Wlad held because he knew Haye was going to swing wildly. What's the problem? Can't you accept that as an acceptable thing to do?

 

It was about 12 seconds, and then a further 8 seconds before the fight is resumed properly. Plenty of time for Wlad to recover.

 

But lets be honest, its that same mouth thats generated a lot of interest in our sport and given Wlad his biggest payday by a country mile. Of course everyone loves to hate the bad guy but boxing needs characters.

 

Keep holding onto it. When is the last time that Wlad was hurt and recovered that quickly? Wlad clinched because Haye was successful in landing a very good, hard, flush shot, and he was putting a halt to his offensive follow up. Really simple. You are trying to make more of it than there is.

It was a great shot that Haye landed. He landed a few really good, solid shots in the fight. He was also great defensively and was able to avoid a lot of Wlad's offense and limit what Wlad was able to do successfully. Of course, Haye's offense suffered as a result, but I have already defended him in saying that it was realistically his only chance to win. His chance was to try and bait Wlad in and capitalize on his mistakes. Which is why he tried to make him angry and frustrated to come after him in a reckless manner. Wlad didn't give him those opportunites so he did what he could by trying to bob and weave his way into position to make some solid attacks. Some were successful and some weren't. However, at the end of the day neither man was hurt, and both proved that they can take a punch and don't have bad chins.

 

Yeah, a big dissapointment but Haye did show some real good head movement and was very elusive. It wasn't a beatdown, and I dont think it is fair to say Haye didn't give his all, Wlad simply did not allow him to open up, ever. FTR I am not a deluded Haye fanboy(whatever my avatar suggests) ; I like Wlad and am not here to make excuses for Haye, just my own thoughts on the fight.

The problem with his strategy I think was that it banked an awful lot on being able to land huge overhand rights.

Firstly Wlad knew this and was therefore ready for them every time, and used his arms to tie up the shots when they did come, and was quick to step just out of range.

Secondly its a very difficult shot to land; it has to be timed perfectly, and when you are being backed up, by a BIGGER guy (forcing you to loop it) who is also EXPECTING the shot, then its a massive ask to land it with any real power behind it. It is just so difficult to find the range/opening.

It is genuinely the perfect counterpunch, as it it such a long shot that the movement has to be incorporated into the slip which forms the opening. Moving backwards makes it that much harder. Against a guy as good as Wlad, it was never much of a chance to bank upon.

Whether Haye could have mixed it up with straight shots I dont know, once again, the range is key here. I dont think he would have risked being so close to Wlad to be able to throw these. Whether he got the tactics altogether WRONG, I am undecided upon. It may well be that fighting that way was indeed his best chance; he is after all a counterpuncher, particularly at HW.

But I certainly do feel that no fighter with a significant size difference is going to beat Wlad while countering from the outside, moving backwards. I simply don't think those tactics will beat this guy.

The only type of counterpuncher I feel would have success against him is one who fights in the pocket, and can take a few of of his shots. I.e, a James Toney kind of style. Again, I think the guy would have to match him for size also, and it would take a ELITE and very strong fighter to fight him at that range.

I think the best/only style to beat Wlad (barring somebody who can match his physical attributes, incl. speed) has to be a come forward, aggressive one. he has to be consistently backed up (ideally onto the ropes) for any fighter to have a good chance of landing the bombs to take him out, IMHO. (and such a scenario obviously makes a more diverse number of shots possible. You can't train to beat him with one shot)

If Haye ever rematches the guy, he will have to find a way to do this. (and probably can't) His style (and I say this in obvious retrospect) was never really suited to beat Wlad.

Regarding the guys future, I HOPE he participates in a couple of fan friendly fights, (perhaps Adamek or Arreola) that redeem him somewhat....and I do think going in with Vitali would prove a lot, even if he goes as a sacrificial lamb and tries to slug it out. I think he has a better chance with Vitali anyway.

I don't think he is a con artist at all, he clearly believed he would win and when you sit back he is only guilty really of overhyping the fight, and not (IMO) in a manipulative, financial con job for a fight he knew he was gonna lose. Which is why I think he may well try and redeem himself in the manner I just described. But he will almost certainly have to fight on past October.

 

Im not arguing about that. Its more of a morbid curiosity with Widdow Takers stance.

Did you have a good time mate btw? That VIP **** blew my mind. Security was shocking at pitch level. It was a free for all where i was but i got a lot closer than the ticket price. The party was mental as well.
I've been saying to a lot of people what a credit to the sport K2 are from a promotional POV. I would even considering going to another K2 event no matter who the opponent is. VIP of course:yep

 

I don't know where you live, but Haye has been a media ***** over here. I think a lot of journalists where sick of him, they were turning on him before the fight, with the downfall video, a joke about a wife being put into a coma, the gang **** comment...The audley fight.

He was coming across like a thug. It's 100 percent acceptable they want to stick the knife in now.

I would love to believe that he will change, but he wont. How the **** are people going to buy into a rematch or a Vitali fight?

How is he going to promote it? The same way?

The press wont have it, he has no option but retire in my opinion.

 

I didnt like it when Lennox done it as well, having said that he was far more adept at fighting on the inside than Wlad is. Haye flopping to the canvas was a reactive process as opposed to a pro-active process, Haye took it too far though and ended up making a fool out of himself, but wtf do you want Haye to do??? lift him off everytime Wlad tries to mount him, thats alot of weight to be lifting up. Wlad done a fair bit of leaning in that fight, it wasnt just Haye "flopping to the floor over and over again", if Wlad didnt do it, Haye wouldnt fall to the floor, you eliminate a problem at the source, it was a shame the ref was too weak to put his foot down.

 

20 seconds is sufficent time for Wlad to recover, thats all im saying...

 

yeah it was amazing!!, nice pic

I think Wlad should fight over here (u.k), I think he made a lot of fans.

I have to admit looking back at this whole Haye/Wlad thing does annoy me. Haye looks like a total plonker. Why the hell couldnt he have worked himself up like Adamek did? He would have came back to the papers praising his effort.

But no that's not his personality, that's why the media are having a field day.

He must regret the things he's said now.

 

Only problem is that Wlads a stadium fighter now and who else apart from Haye would generate interest to justify such a huge event in the UK.
I don't think Haye regrets his actions, he's just devastated cause he genuinely believed he could win. Hes a really nice guy in real life but has always done things his own way and that has pissed off a lot of journos over the years as well.

 

I'm not sure if he's a nice guy, you know...leave that for another day.

Well Wlad could do an arena over here. 18/20,000. I dunno. I think he might fight the winner of Fury/Chisora. Personally I think he should try for Povetkin or arreola, but he seems to be running out of people to fight.

 

I felt Wlad was stunned in another round where he held on hard.
I'm more the idea he held on inthe 12th to cool Haye down a bit. He held on with more vigor and less desperation than the other time.

 

a very good post. :good