A fighter should never retire undefeated unless they are Heavyweight

Some guys are too small or short to do that, Duran did very well moving up but wasn`t the same fighter he was at lightweight, what about Mayweather? Floyd went up as far as he could being only 5'8 and going all the way up to 154 from super-feather is really impressive, was he suppossed to go all the way up to 160? Thee was no point in Caqlzaghe going up to cruiser and the division was garbage in the 90`s and are you suggesting that undefeated light heavy should always move up to cruiser then upon winning a cruiser title move up to heavy? That`s silly and quite a jump, Jones did it by fighting a lackluster heavyweight titlist and Spinks only beat an ageing Holmes.

 

I agree. Pac the GOAT.

 

Manny didn`t retire undefeated.

 

What an illusions.

Only Usyk fans think that he was capable to maintain reign at CW.
He was lucky to unify division tittles without rematch clauses etc because it happened in WBSS tournament.

Now Usyk doesn't looks that is capable to beat Dorticos nor also Briedis.
For Usyk and his fans remains only celebrate his prime time success in WBSS.
This Usyk version that was in the ring vs Whiterspoon doesn't have any bare thing to offer vs Dorticos.

 

and then move to CW and have Octopus, Lerena, Dorticos, maybe this Briedis in the ring.
Beterbiev is good boxer but really, guys, how long he might last vs Dorticos for example? I mean how many rounds?

CW dudes are too large for him and CW is stacked up with talented guys that fight each other with more close matchups than HW division, definitely.
HW dvision worshipers might yell and continue like kindergarten kids: they can't beat HW guy therefore CW division matters nothing, purses are lower etc busll****.
Rare HW division guys now did had so close matchups and unpredictable fights as CW division top guys.
If for someone boxe is masculitity and his ability to think about da street and himself, better lurk mma or at least MT under full MT rules.

If interest about close matchups, the same Droticos likes me far better than A.J.
A.J now will fight 39 y.o dude in Pulev.
Is he more masculine than Dorticos? Definitely for fanboiZ.

 

This is nonsense. If I'm a welterweight I'm only fighting welterweights. I'm never going up three weight classes fighting guys way bigger than me. Why would I do that? That make no sense.

If guys in my weight division aren't good enough that's not my problem and it means I'm greater than anybody in my division.

 

The amount of Boxers who did this successfully in the entire history of Boxing can be counted in low digits. Your perspective is also clouded by modern day views on weight class. By your logic, Adrien Broner is a fighter who is greater, braver and faced tougher circumstances than Marvin Hagler or Carlos Monzon. Dominating a division full of outstanding, talented fighters, particularly a historic division, is a brilliant achievement. In fact, it was usually the measurement of greatness until the past 30 years or so, when weight-classes were diluted with mulitple titles and boxers became more inactive, alongside next day weigh ins. Only absolute freaks like Canzoneri, Armstrong, Duran, Arguello etc could do what you describe in past matchmaking with high levels of success, and these types are literally in Top 30 of All Time or absolute monsters H2H.

Basically, the view that fighters have to constantly jump weight for greatness is a very modern precedent which doesn't actually match up with the (considerably) long history of Boxing.

 

I disagree. Fight at the weight class that you belong in and are comfortable in. Why should a guy go up in weight until he loses to a bum whose only advantage is that he has 50lb on him? Seeing Mayweather lose to Dustin Nichols does nothing for me.

 

Makes about as much sense as the guy in your avatar.

 

Thank god for that

Fury got that exemption card.

The only thing that truly matters is you fight the best competition available at your level on a level playing field.

People with 0's tend to have a risk adverse cherry picked route

 

Usyk and Holy are/were by far the two best cruisers of all-time.