A fighter who's legacy relies almost entirely on beating one man?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    As it says?
     
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  2. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good morning Fergy.
    Not sure if this boxer fits your description entirely, or if I grasp, but maybe Buster Douglas ?
    stay safe buddy, chat soon.
    Mike.
     
  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Absolutely Mike.
    Good pick buddy.
     
  4. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Arguably Frazier, Leon Spinks,
    McCall, Rahman, Turpin
     
  5. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Frazier had a good run before fighting Ali tho. Beat all top contenders from 1968 to 1970.
     
  6. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I did say arguably - he did have a good run but his résumé is significantly elevated by having one of the greatest wins on paper.

    How many casuals know him for anything outside of Ali and Foreman?
     
  7. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By legacy it means their legacy whatever it is depends on that win. Frazier and Schmelings wins over Ali and Louis distract from how few of the best fighters of their era they fought and/or beat. Others thats their only good win or title win.

    Corbett
    Wild Bill Hanrahan
    Willard
    Siki
    Schmeling
    Joe Frazier
    Wepner
    Michael Spinks(HW)
    Pinklon Thomas
    Iran Barkley
    Espana
    Roy Jones(MW, HW)
    Chris Byrd
    Sergio Mora
    Yuri Foreman
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Austin Trout
    Stiverne
    Jeff Horn

    Theres also a few guys whose legacys rely on losses where they performed very well like Firpo, Godoy, Walcott and Conn.
     
  8. Woller1

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    Why Schmeling? Before Louis he had beaten Risko, Walker, Uzcudun, Sharkey (twice if not for maga), Stribling
     
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  10. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    I'd say Vernon Forrest. Take Mosley away and there's really not much there at all.
     
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  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Can we say Barry Mcguigan?
     
  12. BCS8

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    Bowe. Take away Holyfield and the cupboard is looking bare.
     
  13. JackSilver

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    Yeah but then how many casuals know ali for anything outside of Frazier an Foreman in terms of opponents?
     
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  14. META5

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    Liston, Norton, Cooper, Shavers, Williams, Terrell

    Ali's career is much more vaunted than Joe's.

    If you're from the UK and around my era, you should know all about these, especially Cooper, and even without, the fact that he's been covered so much and the entirety of his career is virtually available on YouTube, even a somewhat semi unlazy casual has seem something of this.

    Terrell fight - What's my name? Laila had a brilliant advert with Adidas with the infamous clip of Ali slipping Terrell's shots but her in Ernie's stead.

    Second Liston fight, Ali standing over him shouting at him to get up - one of the most famous pics of his career. Picture is up in every Black barbers and youth centre I remember stepping into in my childhood - pics of Ali in many gyms up and down the country, not just boxing gyms, body builder gyms, Muay Thai gyms.

    Cooper was so beloved over here and his little claim to fame is Ali - trotted out in front of the public for decades.

    I think you would be surprised at how much more known Ali's opponents or career moments might be recognised by a casual in comparison to Frazier's.
     
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  15. drenlou

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    Hasim Rahman.
     
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