A fighter with nothing to lose is the most dangerous?

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  1. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    In my experience I tend to find it’s the other way around. The ones with nothing to lose lack motivation or a will to continue after a certain point. Whilst the one’s with everything to lose are the ones that’s put it all on the line and train the hardest so they don’t lose what’s there’s. It’s the champs that’s refuse to surrender so they can maintain there status as number one. At least that’s the way I often see it.
     
  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    It can happen both ways imo. There has been cases where a fighter goes in, odds totally against him, and surprised the other guy.
    Look at Douglas again Tyson.
    If he'd have been kod in 1 it'd be totally expected and no one surprised.
    He went in, I believe, with that mostly in his mind.
     
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  3. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Bobby Czyz used to say "hell has no Fury Like a women scorned or a fighter with something to prove"
     
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  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    So you’re saying winners are more competitive? Who would’ve thought. Back to regular programming please, I need a pectoral thread stat so @Pugguy can write me paragraphs about the circumstances of various boxers chests.

    Also something, something Ezzard Charles
     
  5. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I agree with Ferg, it can cut both ways.

    Most of the time, keeping the title is harder than winning it.

    There have been a few probability threads going around.

    Putting quality of opposition aside for a moment - more fights as Champ increases the likelihood of an eventual loss - Champs have to always be on point to defy the probabilities - which can include a random, lucky break for the opponent during the fight.

    Atop that, even if an opponent’s perceived substantive quality going into a title fight isn’t so hot (see Buster as Ferg pointed out) - there’s an increased chance that the opponent, with the title up for grabs, will lift for a PB performance - in the context of the moment, a low risk (no title in hand) high reward (winning the title) performance that could surprise the Champ or simply overcome him in its own right.

    How great was Sal Sanchez to turn back the incredible, surprise “devil may care” performance of the great (not known at the time) Azumah Nelson?

    We might heavily critique the quality of opposition of some Champs but it’s still no mean feat defending and hanging on to the belt for a number of defences over a protracted period of time.

    As Champ, you’re top dog and every man and his dog is trying to knock you off.
     
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    LOL, turn of your projector JM.

    You just want a pectoral thread…and the REST, full stop. Cut to the chase of your own needs and wants, false pretences aren’t necessary, no one will judge you. :confused:
     
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  7. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you have nothing to lose, you’ll take risks (IE less concerned with dying if you have no dependants)
     
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  8. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Like Bulldog 24 posted, a fighter with nothing to lose, takes risks and is not afraid to take risks, he has nothing to lose.
     
  9. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Indeed the saying does bear some merit, and it is a double edged sword.