A first draft: My hundred greatest boxers of all time, p4p

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    As some of you might remember I put together a top 50 a few weeks back. Many of you were kind enough to make suggestions, some of which are incorporated here. Thanks for that (a special thanks to Sweet Scientist).

    Here's my effort at fleshing that list out in to a 100, all time. It was difficult. There are enough "honourable mentions" to populate another list of a similair length, so i shall make none.

    Anyway:

    1 - Sam Langford
    2 - Sugar Ray Robinson
    3 - Henry Armstrong
    4 - Hary Greb
    5 - Ezzard Charles
    6 - Willie Pep
    7 - Mickey Walker
    8 - Archie Moore
    9 - Roberto Duran
    10 - Bob Fitzimmons
    11 - Muhammad Ali
    12 - Charley Burley
    13 - Benny Leonard
    14 - Joe Louis
    15 - Sugar Ray Leonard
    16 - Barney Ross
    17 - Sandy Saddler
    18 - Joe Gans
    19 - Gene Tunney
    20 - Roy Jones Junior
    21 - Jimmy Wilde
    22 - Carlos Monzon
    23 - Pernell Whitaker
    24 - Barbados Joe Walcott
    25 - Tony Canzoneri
    26 - Stanley Ketchel
    27 - Emile Grifith
    28 - Julio Cesar Chavez
    29 - Jimmy McLarnin
    30 - Jack Britton
    31 - George Dixon
    32 - Evander Hollyfield
    33 - Terry McGovern
    34 - Ted "Kid" Lewis
    35 - Marvin Hagler
    36 - Ruben Olivares
    37 - Eder Jofre
    38 - Thomas Hearns
    39 - Floyd Mayweathe
    40 - Jose Napoles
    41 - Ike Williams
    42 - Alexis Arguello
    43 - NonParallel Jack Dempsey
    44 - Billy Conn
    45 - Sonny Liston
    46 - Lennox Lewis
    47 - Carlos Ortiz
    48 - Holman Williams
    49 - Salvador Sanchez
    50 - Tommy Ryan
    51 - Bernard Hopkins
    52 - Ricardo Lopez
    53 - Pancho Villa
    54 - Micheal Spinks
    55 - Mysterious Billy Smith
    56 - Abe Atell
    57 - Packey McFarland
    58 - Jack Dillon
    59 - Fighting Harada
    60 - Carmen Basillo
    61 - Wilfred Benitez
    62 - Kid Gavilan
    63 - Aaron Pryor
    64 - Jimmy Bivins
    65 - Joe Frazier
    66 - Bob Foster
    67 - Manuel Ortiz
    68 - Tommy Loughran
    69 - Jim Driscoll
    70 - Jack Johnson
    71 - Jeff Clarke
    72 - OScar De La Hoya
    73 - Fritzie Zivic
    74 - Carlos Zarate
    75 - Marco Antonio Barrera
    76 - Kid Chocoloate
    77 - Jim Jeffries
    78 - Eric Morales
    79 - Rocky Marciano
    80 - Joe Brown
    81 - Beau Jack
    82 - Maxie Rosenbloom
    83 - Eseban de Jesus
    84 - Dick Tiger
    85 - Battling Nelson
    86 - Harold Johnson
    87 - Duillio Loi
    88 - Cocoa Kid
    89 - Jake LaMotta
    90 - Eddie Booker
    91 - Marcel Cerdan
    92 - Mike McCallum
    93 - Hecrot Camacho
    94 - Panama Al Brown
    95 - Lou Ambers
    96 - Miguel Canto
    97 - Tiger Flowers
    98 - Khaosai Galaxy
    99 - Pete Herman
    100-Pone Kingpetch
    101-Benny Lynch


    So who have I scandalously left out? Who is to high? Who is to low? Why is there only one Scotsman on this list and is it the right one? Most of all, how many typos can you find?

    Criticisim is welcome, this is a work in progress.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    Azumah Nelson. With Sanchez at 49 Nelson can't be too far behind IMO, career wise.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    Another impulse thought is that Holyfield needs to be scaled back.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Refreshing to see a Walker in the top 10, a nice fresh perspective.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    BTW, please don't take any of my comments as criticism, i respect your time and effort.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    You've totally forgotten Bob Foster i think. Top 5 175 at least IMO.
     
  7. McGrain

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    JT - you are right about Nelson. I had him on a shortlist for 80-90 but he just kept falling back. But you could be right. Holly stays. He's in y top 12 all time at heavy, is a lock for #1 at cruiser.
     
  8. McGrain

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    You are quite correct.

    Had him jotted down as somewhere right around Loughran.

    First edit, here goes.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    Yeah Holy has that cruiser thing happening for him P4P, but being the best cruiser of all time possibly isn't THAT high an acclaim and he wasn't there long. Never the less it is another string admittedly. I could never leave Nelson out.

    How about Jeff Fenech :shock:
     
  10. McGrain

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    Favourite of yours is he? :D

    Didn't make it. Don't like the featheweight thing, not desperately impressed. Tough hombre, serious fighter, would make the 200, but better than Pete Herman? Not for me.

    Foster is in, thanks.
     
  11. Holmes' Jab

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    Very good list overall, not that much at all to fault. A few I'd suggest would be: Armstrong higher (maybe #1), Napoles too. I would have Duran and Fitz a tad lower, but that might be just be me.

    Nelson would be worth consideration too.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    Well i am glad you forgot Foster, he would have been a painful omission for me lol. I'd sure be forgetting some too.
     
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    TBH i wouldn't hesitate to drop Camacho for Nelson. Azumah has him covered in just about every single criteria.
     
  14. McGrain

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    What happens is you make detailed notes, set a place - say 45-48 (you can't get to definite because some placings "look" wrong) and then totally forget about them.

    Nelson > Camacho, noted.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    Yeah, i think i'd get a few top hundred lists and start going from there. Then maybe go thru a good list and see if any big names were left out. A tough task whichever way we look at it. Kudo's to all you guys making such detailed lists.