A first draft: My hundred greatest boxers of all time, p4p

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Feb 20, 2008.


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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ortiz is in at 47.

    Jones is too high for some peole, that is clear enough - but i'm happy with his position. Comparing across eras requires some flexibility and i'm setting out not to punish modern guys for making more money/having better safety measures in place. For the bulk of my reasoning, see post 57.

    I agree with you about the bottom end, the last 15 or so is basically en excersise in futility - or it felt that way, perhaps I will get there. Anyway, I would recomend that anybody setting out consider a top 150 rather than 100. Seriously.
     
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  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's fair enough.

    Whilst I think Jones' level of competition leaves a bit to be desired there is no questioning his dominance and talent, which are almost unparalleled in the history of the sport.
     
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  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It seems to me Jack Dempsey should be on the list. Many of the guys he fought Willard, etc. were significantly bigger than him. And Tunney's main claim to fame was his two victories over him. Seems to me if Marciano and Frazier on this list, he should be too.

    Great list btw.
     
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  4. joe33

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    You all see someone has posted a thread in the main forum taking the **** out of this one?
     
    joe33, Feb 21, 2008
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    I can't believe i did not notice Wilfredo Gomez missing.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well that makes two of us bub.
     
    McGrain, Feb 22, 2008
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  7. mcvey

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    Lewis holds wins over Bruno 6 3 who was heavier than him Ruddock 6 3 about the same weight,Tucker same height and near weight,Grant,was bigger and heavier,same for Klitshcko, so I don,t see your argument.And Im not a particular fan of Lewis.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Resume, achievments, dominance.

    I've no problem with a list that excludes fighters who are not filmed as long as it identifies itself as such. I also don't think you can call that list all time anything - because it isn't such a thing.

    Having no film of a fighter is a handicap. So is comparing a fighter like Jones, who has only a handful of fights compared to Greb's 300.

    Trying to find an even playing field for these guys is part of the fun and also difficulty.

    Would you exclude Greb alltogether from such a list because there is no footage of him?
     
    McGrain, Feb 22, 2008
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  9. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:
     
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  10. RoccoMarciano

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    I don't get into HWs being included in these types of lists.
     
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  11. Sweet Pea

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    His resume is better than any man who's ever laced up a pair of boxing gloves. That shpuld about do it. We've seen the men he beat, and know they were the best of the time, from MW to HW, that should help.

    Anyways, I agree that based on resume, Jones above a Canzoneri, Walcott, Whitaker is no good, but in terms of ability, a case can be made that he's near there. Even a Jones fan like me doesn't have him that high though, certainly not higher than Whitaker or the others mentioned.
     
    Sweet Pea, Feb 22, 2008
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  12. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    WILFREDO GOMEZ!!!!
     
    RafaelGonzal, Feb 23, 2008
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  13. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thank you that is without a doubt the biggest glaring weakness of this list. and also no Carlos Zarate.
     
    RafaelGonzal, Feb 23, 2008
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  14. JohnThomas1

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    74 - Carlos Zarate
     
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