A former flyweight champ beating an elite, essentially undefeated welterweight champ?

Im still wondering how you deemed me out of shape considering I had a shirt on.

 

because he was knocked the **** out before and was getting tagged repeatedly by Paulie. Paulie would of KOed him if he had power.


Hatton wasn't shot but he wasn't as good as the version that fought Floyd. Still a great ****ing win, i didnt expect Pac to blow him out that quickly.

 

True, he started young to make a living. I heard he was putting metal plates in his pocket just to make the weight because he was so light.

 

one fu(k!ng pound....and haters wont stop crying about it....

 

Hmmm. Floyd should get the same credit as Pacquiao for weight-jumping, for fighting in the amateurs. An interesting and hilarious new spin for the hate brigade! atsch

Mario Kindelan should be ranked alongside Roberto Duran in ATG terms then! :nut

 

Watch the Collazo fight at 147.

Watch the Malignaggi fight at 140.


Watch Hatton's fights at welter.

Watch Hatton's fights at light-welter.


Listen to everything that Ricky, his coaches, his dad, his promoter have ever said about him as a welter compared to him as a light-welter.


I don't need to say anything else on the subject. Take the biased blinkers off, and just check out the evidence.

 

Hatton had two fights at Welterweight and all the rest at Jr. Welter. Collazo wasn't known much of before the Hatton fight, it was that fight that brought him the recognition he deserves. Collazo wasn't only bigger than Hatton he was also a very underrated skilled fighter who Hatton beat in his first fight at Welterweight. Collazo is a guy who gave Mosley a decent fight, arguably beat Berto recently and beat Rivera. Malignaggi's biggest accomplishment is beating N'dou.

 

Collazo gave Mosley a decent fight? I disagree. And I don't rate Berto.

IMO, he beat Hatton and should've got the stoppage. He was one punch away.

Hatton didn't beat Malignaggi, he absolutely dominated him.

For me, the guy was a different animal at light-welter than he was at welter. Put him in with a Tszyu-standard opponent at 147 even back in '05, and Ricky gets brutalized.

 

let's make it easier for the haters to digest

Was there a bantamweight champ that has been in the top 5 or 10 of the lightweight division?

if not, then if pacquiao demolish cotto, he is easily a top 15 ATG

 

Should have got the stoppage?, what kind of bull**** is that? The man was rocked from that punch but still came back. How the hell was the referee supposed to stop it when he carried on till the end right in your face?, it's not like this was anything similar to Bute/Andrade and not even close.

By saying a decent fight for Mosley I don't mean a 50/50 fight, Mosley clearly won but it wasn't a joke of a fight, that's what I mean. Your rating of Berto means nothing, the guy is undefeated, highly regarded and a champion. Collazo was a huge underdog going into that one clearly overlooked by the public.

Even against Mayweather he was putting up a decent fight that looked competitive early before Mayweather slowly started to take charge. Clearly he's not as worthless as you're trying to make him be at Welter though I do agree he belongs at 140.

 

You're right. Pac is not a 147 champ because he is essentially a lightweight fighting in higher divisions (136-147) and has a belt at 140.

 

Of course not because he started fighting at 16. Pac, the skinny, malnourished and ill-trained teen aged fighter won the oriental flyweight title at 18 and world title at 19.

 

Hatton was there for the taking. Collazo should have got the stoppage, had he had a little more poise he would have finished him off. I'm not exactly claiming that black is white here Scar, many times in many fights a man is there for the taking and the opponent lacks either the composure or the killer instinct to end it. The fact that a Collazo standard fighter had Hatton in that position and arguably should have got the decision proves Hatton was not a great welterweight.

IMO, he was a great light-welter, or if not great exactly then at least very good.

It wasn't a joke of a fight. That's not exactly a stellar achievement though, is it? A years past-prime Ricardo Mayorga gave Mosley a far better fight. The fact is Mosley beat Collazo convincingly and comfortably - because he is a top ww whereas Collazo and Hatton are not.

What sort of point is that??

It's a boxing forum. All we have is our own ratings and opinions. Mine is worth as much as yours or anyone elses.

If my rating of Berto means nothing, why are you bothering to talk about Collazo and Hatton as obviously your ratings of them mean nothing too?

So is Chris Arreola. That means nothing.

By whom? I don't think he is particularly highly regarded at all. Especially not after the Collazo fight. He has the appearance of another Jeff Lacy to me, who will lose badly when his class of comp is ramped up.

So is Valuev.

And he lost. He was overlooked because he isn't a great fighter, and Berto was being hyped up. Neither of these two will ever be top two in their division, they're not good enough.

Worthless? Find where I said that and I'll change my avatar to Chris Arreola. I think he was a far weaker and less effective fighter at 147, but I never said 'worthless'. He was decent. No better than that. A better fighter than Collazo (like Cotto or Mosley) would have buried him that night.

Well then why are you arguing about it????

 

So Dina. Are you saying that Pac's win over Hatton isn't much of anything?

 

I think an olympic gold medal at feather is as impressive if not more than a flyweight title in the pros. Did Floyd really win a gold in the olympic? What year?