A Gene Tunney question...?

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  1. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You judge them by our standards. That's something that never will work. You won't be able to understand the people back then when you do so.
     
  2. Abdullah

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    Yeah, that's true. I agree with that. Other examples of that are like, have you ever sat with someone much older than you and their sense of humor is a lot different or just some of there basic ideas? I just think that somewhere in these peoples lives, at least some of them must have realized that this superior race thing is just false. Maybe I'm wrong.
     
  3. bodhi

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    They were indoctrinated with this from birth on. Even if they would start doubting it, it's very very hard to overcome.
     
  4. My2Sense

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    Not really. Tommy Loughran had more than twice that number of fights and never fought a black opponent. **** happens.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Having seventy fights and never meeting a black opponent doesn't "speak for itself" because another guy fought one-hundred and forty fights without meeting a black opponent?
     
  6. My2Sense

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    Who do you mean by "Brannon"?

    Wills was already on record as turning down or ignoring big money offers to fight Gibbons and Tunney; that part wasn't "made up." Gibbons had been aggressively pushing for a fight with Wills for at least a couple of years.


    Gibbons was the #2 HW contender when he fought Tunney, behind only Wills. Godfrey wasn't even in the top 5 then, or even thought all that much of in general.
     
  7. My2Sense

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    Correct.
     
  8. Duodenum

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    My father took it with him to his annual winter stomping grounds a couple thousand miles south of me, and he won't return until April. Regardless, putting it on youtube is considerably beyond my nascent computer skills at present. I do have a tech savvy relative who might be able to help me with that, however. This CD is readily available though, and here are the details, including Corbett's part in it:http://www.venerablemusic.com/catalog/TitleDetails.asp?TitleID=11951
     
  9. Abdullah

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    Hey thanks.:good
     
  10. The Long Count

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    Quick question does anyone know the address of Tunney's birth? Thanks
     
  11. Sting like a bean

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    I don't know enough about boxing history to answer most your questions but I'll say I think it's pretty unlikely Tunney was a racist simply because he was quite intelligent and well read. Racism is almost always predicated more or less directly on false assumptions and faulty logic.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Maybe both stats speak for themselves?
     
  13. mcvey

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    David Irving is well educated and exceptionally well read.He's written around 20 books too.
    Richard Wagner,Charles Lindbergh Jesse Helms,Thomas Jefferson,
    Walt Disney?

    ps There's one on here, but he is neither well educated or well read!
     
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  14. Sting like a bean

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    I don't think David Irving is a smart guy at all, and as for being well read I very seriously doubt he could answer basic questions on any academic subject outside 20th century history (if even that).

    Wagner's antisemitism was mostly... "aesthetic" for lack of a less incongruous choice of word, and Nietzsche broke off relations with him because this offended his intellect rather than his morality.

    I don't know much about Lindbergh, but I'd bet my life I could back him into a logical corner very quickly. I've spent more time than I ever should have bothered to arguing with so called "race realists" online, and in my experience they are *always* incompetent if you grant in arguendo that they're sincere.
    No exceptions.

    But in any case I'm not quite saying that it's impossible for a highly intelligent person to be a racist (though no one has ever cited examples to my satisfaction) just that intelligence is inversely correlated with racism.
    (Unless by racism you mean subtle unjustified biases, in which case we're all "racist" in every possible direction.)
     
  15. mcvey

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    Irving is well educated and very well read.Can one be very intelligent and racist? Probably not .Well educated and well read and racist? Indubitably!

    I hate Whites ,especially White boxers , ask Mendoza.
     
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