A Gene Tunney question...?

McVey,

I take it you aren't very familiar with the ANC, and how corrupt it is, how they abused human rights, and where some of the money went.

You fool nobody by saying you voted conservative 5 times in a row. You disdain Trump and Thatcher, conservatives. Would conservatives really do this? Not likely. You went on take a poke actor Robert Shaw's conservative views, and if I can say so you're the Malcom X of the board when it comes to defending Jack Johnson, while at the same time going out of your way to degrade most accomplished white heavies.

You are not fooling anyone with this statement, just like you fool no one with your claimed 137 IQ.

All of the above are you own words, I only use them to show how fraudulently you really are. Back to Tunney now?

 

God you are a boring turd aren't you? Do you think for one moment that anyone apart from yourself is interested in my politics?
I'm familiar with the ANC I was a member for about 6 years! Can you come up with a convincing explanation as to why I would say I voted Conservative in the last 5 elections if I hadn't ?
As If I give a good f*ck what anyone on here thinks of my politics ! The subject would never have come up if you hadn't come out with this BS about me being some kind of radical leftie!

Get this in to your dense skull ,nobody here gives a flying f*ck what way I vote ,nor I how they vote! If you want to make a thread about me you will quickly find you are the only one posting on it! Nobody gives a sh*t!
About you or me! You are obsessing about some one you dislike and who heartily detests you in return.
Here's a little exercise for you ,try and make a sentence that actually makes grammatical sense and doesn't include the words Jack Johnson!
Get yourself a life you sad f*ck! You need professional help!

 

I didn't say he was racist I don't know if he was or not. Fighting a South American would not constitute proof of not being so though ,imo

 

Thought about this thread recently, when I was reading "Stamped from the Beginning." Before Tunney's time but you'd be shocked by how many intelligent and well read thinkers (Locke, Hume, Linnaeus, Cotton Mather, Voltaire, Thomas Jefferson, etc.) once peddled racist theories that now seem absolutely ridiculous.

 

I'm not familiar with Locke, Linnaeus,or Cotton, are they fairly recent or contemporaries of the others?
Jefferson kept slaves and one of them was his mistress I believe.
Things have changed rather a lot since Voltaire's day wouldn't you say? Then again re-reading Mendoza's post ,maybe not so much!

 

I don't suppose you could post quotes cited in this book? I seem to dimly remember some objectionable passages in Voltaire's philosophical encyclopedia, but I'd have to reread them to form a fresh opinion.

I recall quite distinctly in Candide, there's a part where a minor character trusts a shipmate who is described as black (or I think "Moorish"; it's been fifteen years since I've read it) with his personal fortune to fetch some desperately needed supplies, but the character never returns with the money or supplies. However, oddly enough there is no implication at all that the Moorish character was not to have been trusted because he was black. Indeed he's admonished by an older "sage" type character for having been so naive as to think even a close comrade could be trusted in such dire circumstances, and Voltaire seemed to be using the episode to make a distinctly universalist (rather than racial or cultural) point about his notoriously cynical view of human nature.

In Zadig (which is far less known than Candide but an even work better in my opinion) the title protagonist is an Arab, and is by far the most intelligent and honorable person in the narrative.

I'd have probably been a racist of sorts if I'd lived in the eighteenth century, for much the same reasons I'd probably have been a creationist. Voltaire himself once rationalized that marine fossils found in the Alps must have been carried there by prehistoric humans, which of course though comically wrong was nonetheless an entirely reasonable and even parsimonious hypothesis, given the information available to him at the time.

 

There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to begin. I mean, you were so far off the mark here, I'm going to hope in the last 8 years your views have changed. I'd just like to highlight one part that I'd like you to expand on "The U.S. started this development by freeing them"

 

Not gonna type out a racist passage here, in case some mod reads it and boots me, but Kendi cites a blatantly racist and racialist passage from one of Voltaire's nonfiction texts. You can find it here (and various other places on line): https://books.google.com/books?id=e_3cCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=kendi+voltaire+spaniel&source=bl&ots=DBcuaNHoB3&sig=HIgJ_4CZO5-bm0V05YJcYCSbhM4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib_ZD59-DbAhXC24MKHXQLBasQ6AEIRzAH#v=onepage&q=kendi voltaire spaniel&f=false

Voltaire was also apparently an anti-semite and subscribed to other bigoted xenophobic views too. So if these guys were white supremacists and bigots, it's not hard at all for me to believe that a Gene Tunney was too.

 

They were all 17th-18th century thinkers and writers. Locke is one of the most influential political philosophers of all time, Linneaus was an influential scientist.

Yeah, Thomas Jefferson was a ridiculous hypocrite when it came to matters of slavery and freedom. Railed against interracial relationships as unholy but started sleeping with his slave Sally Hemmings while she was still 15 or 16. Then enslaved the children he had with her until he died. Was morally conflicted about slavery but was a relatively cruel slavemaster and sold slaves away from their families to punish them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/...51917DF5EA8A7326FEB&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion