A graph showing Wilders Supremacy

One interesting conversation is how much fighters before the 80s would have acheived in this era where there are 4 belts. No question its easier to get belts. But the biggest beneficiary of that isn't Wilder. Its Evander Holyfield who got a lifetime subscription to title shot plus that Wilder did not receive. Wilder got his title and regardless what you think of his competition defended it for years then lost it now is seemingly gone.

Wilder outpointed Fury and had the trilogy with Fury and has wins over Beck, Liakovich, Audley Harrison, Stivernex2, Arreola, Molina, Breazeale, and Ortizx2. Its not a great resume it should not be maligned to the extent its been maligned.

 

Okay thats very reasonable. In any case do you dispute he is not the worst WBC HW champ ever and is at absolute worst 3rd from last?

I do think prime Bruno has a good chance against him but the Bruno that won the WBC belt got it off Oliver McCall who now that I think of it is another one who should be thrown into this discussion.

 

I agree that the worst was Stiverne or Maskaev, and as much as I can't stand Wilder, on his best day, he was better than Peter.

 

This list is just propaganda and a lie!

I remember this going about.
which legit world ranking system ranks 500 deep? And if they are ranking that deep, how far down is “unranked”?

Please advice which ranking system is used?

Also you judge a fighter once they get to the level, not how they got there. Look at Chavez record.

according to the wbc his 10defences were against top 15 fighters.
according to the ring 6/7 of those were against top 10 fighters.

This propaganda is annoying and dishonest, it supported the media hate narrative which many follow.

 

Kinda disingenuous considering each alphabet org has their own rankings that exclude other elite fighters because they haven't bought into the ecosystem. Where are these rankings from? And also what were the WBC rankings of all these guys, because frankly that what has always mattered. He'll be in the HOF because he had a decent high visibility run at heavyweight, with the most important strap. That's alot more than most guys at the weight can claim like him or not.

 

Wilder had a fake career filled with fake fights propped up by the PBC hype machine. Wilder is a bum with very little skill and vastly overrated power. Most of his career was fixed and he never belonged at the top level. People keep saying Wilder was shot against Parker and Zhang but all they really did was reveal the level he always was.

 

Which 7 contenders ranked by Ring Magazine did Wilder beat/fight?

 

He wasn't a standout in his own era. Don't see how he is more deserving than Byrd, Tua, Chagaev etc.

 

And what does the ring magazine have to do with the WBC ranked guys? Preference? I'm under the impression the shots come from the org you hold a title from?

 

One of the biggest jokes in heavyweight history…

 

Off the up of my head I can think of 5 for wilder,
Fury
Ortiz
Stiverne
Arreola
Brezeale
Including ones he lost to it would be 7 at least with Zhang n Parker.

Interesting but I can only think of 9 names for AJ including his losses. This also includes whyte who he beat in their early career. To give him benefit of doubt and we’re trying to make wilder look bad.

 

evander also proved himself against the best hw's of his era, after becoming king in another division. won some and lost some, but proved he belonged. wilder proved he doesnt belong. thats the difference.

 

Arreola and Breazeale were not ranked by ring at the time.

Wilder only beat two legit contenders, had his long ass trilogy with Fury and then got sent into retirement by Parker and Zhang.
His title run was a complete joke.
But, he was signed to fight Povetkin, for whatever that is worth.

 

Ring is more credible than the WBC, in terms of rankings.