A great film breakdown on Joe Louis

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    While Lee Ramage wasn't very good ( Ramage lost almost all of his name fights ), I found this style break down on Joe Louis to be excellent! Those who like the older stance style, and appreciate the finer and seldom talked about aspects of how a defense and offense can be used will enjoy this video.

    [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLIr1dDVBWc[/url]
     
  2. nikrj

    nikrj Active Member Full Member

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    Great vid !

    I really enjoyed it ! :good

    Among the heavyweights , Joe Louis is the greatest textbook fighter of all time.
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    Textbook, in a way yes. But I find him not very adaptive in fights where the other guy is giving him difficulty.
     
  4. nikrj

    nikrj Active Member Full Member

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    Agree. That's why he was better in rematches , when he had already developed an appropriate strategy.
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Good video.
    I've always considered Joe Louis the epitome of a textbook technical boxer. Brilliant use of two-fisted attack /two-handed defense.

    I remember trying to explain the similarities of Joe Louis's stance and body/hand positioning with that of Sugar Ray Robinson to people on this forum, and being met with ridicule. It's a simple point, nothing too complicated.
     
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  6. LittleRed

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    No i can see it. Ray kept his hands a little lower, and bounced around a little bit more, but sometimes he would put his hands up chest high and fire off those jabs. More importantly both kept their hands in constant position to punch.
     
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  7. janitor

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    For what it is worth, Ramage was probably the best pure technician of the era.
     
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  8. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Great video!!!

    Joe Louis is the heavyweight GOAT
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    Sugar Ray was much better on defense due to his movement.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    Ramage the best technician in the 1930's??? Care to elaborate?
     
  11. mcvey

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    He met Louis twice in little more than two months.
    In their first bout in Chicago in December 1934, Ramage won the first seven rounds handily before a Louis punch shattered the San Diego heavyweight's upper left arm, according to a Bojens account. Ramage likely rushed too quickly into a rematch.
    In Los Angeles in February 1935, Louis stopped him in the second round. Louis, a first-year professional in 1934, would go on to claim the heavyweight championship by knocking out James J. Braddock in the eighth round of a 1937 fight in Chicago, but Louis never forgot how masterfully Ramage had boxed against him. In a 1942 interview with The Ring magazine, Louis remarked on how well the Navy had chosen when it selected Ramage to teach sailors how to box. "They sure got the right man," Louis said.
    "It tickles me to hear everybody rave about how good Billy Conn can box.
    Conn is smart in a funny sort of way, but nobody I ever saw or ever fought could box like that Ramage, not when he boxed me, anyway. "The first time I fought him, I didn't hit him once for five rounds.
    He looked like he was trying to see just how close he could make me miss.
    And what a left!
    He didn't block punches like Conn does; he just moved his head a little bit when I'd punch at him, and pop!
    I'd get hit with another left." "I saw him box some other fellows out in Chicago, and he's one boy I loved to watch box.
    I don't know how he did it.
    Poor Chappie always said the same thing.
    He was crazy about Ramage as a boxer.
    Conn makes more mistakes in a minute than Ramage did in a whole fight." "Chappie" was Lyle Blackburn, Louis' trainer. During his time in Las Vegas, where he worked in a garage and conditioned fighters, Ramage said he sometimes would call on Louis, then serving as a greeter for a casino.
    "Joe always would introduce me the same way -- as the finest boxer he ever met," Ramage said.
    Education is a wonderful thing.:deal
     
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  12. janitor

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    I think McVea has made my case as well as I can.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

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    Wow ramage is better than I thought
     
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  14. Webbiano

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    50-1 though after his first retirement. I guess you could say he was so good he didn't need to have that much adaptability.
     
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  15. burt bienstock

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    Some posters criticize Joe Louis for not being the PERFECT heavyweight
    which gets me upset. As if there is a thing called perfection in a HEAVYWEIGHT. What they don't understand or WISH NOT TO understand is that
    ANY so called shortcomings the prime Brown Bomber might have had, would be more than made up for by his terribly powerful and deadly accurate
    combination punching that would destroy any fighter that ever lived...
    Sooner or later the young deadly Joe Louis catches up to his opponent and
    as a prominent boxing physician of the 1930s attested " the human body was not made to withstand the combination of punches once Joe Louis had you hurt"... AMEN !
    P.s. This utter nonsense that the 200 pound taut and powerful Joe Louis was not big enough to cope with today's behemoths is sheer utter nonsense. He hit hard enough to destroy any human being who ever lived including
    a chap named Clay/Ali who today is wrongly deified in his ability to take
    punishment...Ali never met the trip hammer combinations of a prime Joe Louis...NO ONE HAS...
    punches
     
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