A guy who trains in wing chun, told me he's dropped so many boxers using it.

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wing chun is pure impractical **** and here is the proof. Bruce lee was taught by the most famous wing chun teacher (ip man) and yet felt the need to improve on it and become "formless". nobody with wing chun has made it into mma and they should if its real even though some moves arent allowed. No human alive has the reflexes, foresight and timing to use such absurd dragon ball z bull**** in actual combat atsch

 

What a dick puncher!












Kung Fu fighters are often dick punchers.

 

Um, not really, as has been mentioned. I'd have to say it's one of the more 'hard'/streetfight-like styles. Lots of (perceived) 'dirty strikes' too - eye gouges, throat strikes, groin kicks etc.

Cableaddict, did you feel you gained any help in parrying or pivoting (eg. in a shoulder-roll manner like James Toney?) Or more importantly, in footwork (I hear ya on the balance --> shifting weight from foot to foot)

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In the end, I wussied out and stopped attending classes (was getting terrible brain pain (read: headaches:emma) and constant nosebleeds (from no physical hits to the head))

Man, kudos, you collapsed his 'bridge'. That's why I've 'adapted', and adopted most of streetfighting's/boxing's 'shoulders hunched over 'cage'' - I've accepted that I have **** reflexes. Unless you have Anderson Silver-like Matrix reflexes, have an above average fight-counter strategy and/or years of (chi sao) hand sensitivity training, that cat-pawing flurry is not going to work once someone breaches your mid-range and invades your zone. Something Leon explains more succinctly below:

:happy Wow, you know your stuff.

Agreed. There are some major flaws in WC (mebbe I'm just a crap student!). The square-on stance IMHO is one of them. Someone rushing at you - sure, the theory is that you can elbow-parry imbalance them or pull them into an elbow/shoulder strike but what if you get someone like GSP shooting in?

The inner outer Gates concept also is workable in theory but often leads to these frantic wind-milling demonstrations where footwork could have minimised the threat. Sigh...I guess it's a long-winded way of saying warriors are born more than made: someone dogged like Sifu Wong Shun Leung, with his Jack Dempsey hellhound qualities, would've kicked ass probably whichever art he chose. Interesting vid below of him - forewarned, it's in Chinese (Mandarin) which I don't understand, but most of the points get through in gestures and demos:
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Contrary to popular belief, Bruce was very much the neglected student. He was so dismissed that the Grandmaster only ever met him a few times. He was handed off to one of the senior students to teach and even then, he wasn't taught the full form. Not saying WC is the bee's knees but Mr Lee was never qualified to be the ultimate example of its effectiveness.


NB. I'm so glad there's been none of the Choy Lay Futt v. WC 'My kungfu is better than your kungfu' BS that plagues gungfu forums cool: admiringly at motownsiu)

NBB. WC likes: concept of jamming/intercepting; low no-fancy kicks. Dislikes: weird stance, no (effective) uppercuts, no head movement (relies entirely on footwork, 'gates' to protect head)

 

He's full of ****.
Although not related to fighting a boxer, I remember when Igor Zinoviev fought the Wing Chun guy who they showed takeing on multiple opponents in the preview. Igor beat the **** outta him in about a minute.
If its a legit boxer the Wing Chun guy doesnt have a chance.

 

somebody post a video of a wing chun guy throwing a proper punch if u can find one :yep

 

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No......

 

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The guy in black is in the Wing Chun stance and is using basic Wing Chun techniques.
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As you see it's all about range. In close range Wing Chun destroys boxing but at that mid range where the boxers jab can reach you but your Wing Chun trapping techniques can't reach them then you're stuck in a sort of kick boxing range which favors the boxer.

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This guy would beat the crap out of most people. One of the greatest fighters of all time.

 

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In real life Jackie wouldn't last 60 seconds.

 

This. I rate it up there with Tae Kwon Do and Aikido in terms of it's looking good to usefulness ratio.

 

Add Wu Shu to that list as well and Capoeira. All very theatrical. :yep

That said i did Wing Chun as a kid. And anyone that can dismiss it obviously doesn't know too much about it. My death star camel clutch one inch punch has felled many a man. Couple that with my wooden dummy technique and i used to be in immortal territory.

 

Pfft. Even Leon knows WC guys are not aiming for Julian Jackson shots.

Quote - "..Boxers primarily train for other boxers. In boxing, punches are extended much further with more body behind it unlike wing chun. With how wing chun guys punch they have less recoil time between punches than boxers."

The chain punches are to discombobulate and bridge the gap (for elbow strikes, throat rips, eye gouges etc), not to KD/KO. That's why they won't work against a (well experienced) boxer, who's used to getting double jabs or 1-2s thrown at their face the whole day.

I second Boxmaster, Benny was the Duran of kickboxing.

 

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I'm no Benny hater, he was a pioneer, I love and admire his fighting spirit, but let's not get too carried away. Like most American, European and to some extent Japanese "kickboxers" they avoided/ducked Thailand the home of "kickboxing" for most of the early era of the sport outside of S.E.Asia. When alot of these guys came up against the real McCoy they came up short except for a few noticable standouts for example Mitsuo Shima and Toshio Fujiwara to name a couple, but alot of their wins over Thais in Japan have since been exposed as fixed fights for the Japanese fans. I'm not dissing Benny just trying to get some balance, he may have been the Duran of the Kickboxing world, but minus Thailand. Any top 20 Thai fighter in that era beats Benny, he had trouble with low kicks, knnes nad elbows. The gulf between Thailand and the rest of the world is still huge now let alone back then.

His 1978 fight against Prayout Sittiboonlert in Japan (Starts at 2.28 after his whipping of Japanese fighter):


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I wish we could hear the fight sounds in boxing like you can hear em in this video:bbb