A Haye win over Valuev will be bad for the HW division, here is why:

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  1. gorgse

    gorgse Active Member Full Member

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    ok the first thing that comes to mind... He thought the Klit's contract was bad... Wait till he reads the fineprint on fighting Valuev. Valuev is a King controled fighter, that means that King will have options on Haye after if he wins. That mean the Klits will never fight him because King will want options on the Klits to fight him... this is a cluster****. There will be no unification, it will be bad for the HW division as Haye will go on to fight Ruiz and nobodies, all the while saying "the Klits are afraid, they will not fight me" enough though he knows that its because of Kings stupid options. Lewis had problems with Kings options as well as King was always trying to trap him with them.

    I hope Valuev wins because it will be better for the heavyweight division if he does and then have Valuev loose to a mandatory, so then King has no piece of the HW title.
     
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  2. MiracleMan

    MiracleMan Active Member Full Member

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    Im worried about Haye having to fight him and getting done in a robbery and not getting another shot. Valuev at his best isn't that bad. But he hasn't fought offensive for some time.
     
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  3. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Haye is nothing and he is afraid of Vitali and Vlad both.
     
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  4. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His last fight was pretty "offensive".
     
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  5. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its a bad matchup for him in many aspects. From business standpoint he is not going to make millions. He wont be #1 heavyweight if he defeats Valuev as he would be if he defeated Wladimir. Valuev is easy to outbox but has a great chin. Haye will want to impress and try to knock Valuev out, might get tired and knocked out late by the giant. Another possibility is a robbery in Germany.
     
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  6. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Haye's only chance of a win is if Don King orders Valouev to lose the fight.
     
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  7. MiracleMan

    MiracleMan Active Member Full Member

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    :lol::lol: Good one.
     
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  8. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On the other hand, Valuev is bad for boxing.Valuev got too many gifts from judges and nobody wants to see Valuev - Louise III.

    You are right, Haye will be partially controlled by King and that could cause problems. but Vaalauev is a lot worse for boxing than Haye.
     
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  9. Godfather

    Godfather I put the G in God Full Member

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    I see what you are saying. But its better to have a good havyweight titlist rather than Valuev
     
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  10. GrovesVDegale

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    Rubbish.

    Khan beat Barrera and King didn't have options on him afterwards. I doubt King will have options on Haye. The fact is, the haye and the Klits have not had fun negotiating together and now Haye has the chance to rub it in their face by getting the fight they cant get and winning the belt they want. So they will HAVE to fight him. And they'll have to fight him on more reasonable terms... ****ing brilliant
     
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  11. Saku

    Saku We Are All One Full Member

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    If Haye beats Valuev he will use King as an excuse as why he won't face any Klitschko and act like he didnt see that coming lol
     
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  12. Vengeance

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    Getting rid of that giant hairy oaf is a good thing for the heavyweight division if you ask me. Saves us from a possible Valuev vs Wlad/Vitali fight.. against either brother, Valuev gets shutout. So it's a good thing Haye is doing some of the Klitschko brothers' work for them.
     
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  13. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All this talk of Haye the Fake is giving me a back ache.:tired
     
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  14. gorgse

    gorgse Active Member Full Member

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    The Khan Barrera was not a Title fight, name me one non-manditory title fight with King controling the belt holder where King didn't put options in the contract?
     
    gorgse, Jul 23, 2009
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  15. gorgse

    gorgse Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly, and unfortunately I think Haye will win.
     
    gorgse, Jul 23, 2009
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