A Helpful Guide In Processing The Win Over Chisora By The Charismatic Enigma That Is Oleksandr Usyk.

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    None of those things apply to Usyk. You took it for your thread title as if it was his but whether you like Hardy or not it’s his nickname.
     
  2. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Dude, why are you trying to explain. The fight wasn't even close after the 3rd.
     
  3. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    He's almost 34 years old now and he was crowded by a slow handed, slow foot, plodding, short armed overweight 36 year old heavyweight.
    If he was the epitome of speed, mobility and slickness I'd expect him to not be found in a clinch with Chisora getting rough up, or so often having to desperately roll away from slow looping telegraphed overhands that did actually get through.
    I expected him to dominate from the opening bell and stop Chisora. That would have proved something at least.
     
  4. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    After the first few rounds he was pushing Chisora back in those clinches. And his mobility was on display when - at least three times - he made Chisora do a full 180 after making him miss.

    Some of those rights did get through. But hardly any really landed clean if we’re being honest as that glove was tied to his chin for the most part.

    I expected him to stop Chisora. It even looked on the cards at one point (after the 7th I think). But he never stepped on it. Sky suggested his left hand was injured, maybe it was that. Maybe he wanted to see how he felt after 12 rounds at the weight. Maybe he was being overly cautious. The answer to that will become clearer with time. I’d have been more let down had he visibly tried for the stoppage and failed than not really go for it at all, in truth.
     
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    :facepalm: Absolutely no talk of technique and just criticism based on irrelevant stats.

    Chisora boxed well that night. He closed the distance and used looping punches to trap Usyk and stop him from circling.
    Chisora also stepped into a southpaw jab and it was the same way he set up his right hook.
    That right hook looks telegraphed and slow, but it´s really hard to deal with. Why? Because Chisora threw it from a downward angle, meaning there was no telling if he was going to the body or head. And punches from a low angles are hard to see coming(Look at Roy Jones). Second reason was that he threw the hook the same way he threw the southpaw jab, so now Usyk had to predict if it was a jab or a hook. To the head or body?

    Chisora´s looping shots and stance shift allowed him to close the gap between him and Usyk. You don´t have to be fleet footed to cut of the ring. Even the slowest of guys can effectively cut of the ring with timing, feints, nuanced footwork and... well there is a ton more. You can predict the opponents movement based on which punch you throw... There is so much one can do!
    It´s not just about "he is slower". Just throwing looping power shots can be enough to discourage movement.


    And something no one seems be talking about is that this was Usyk´s second fight in two years. At this point ring rust is bound to take affect.
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    Chisora just isn't that good though to be allowed to work his style and techniques to any such effect.

    Of course, if we're judging Usyk as a middling heavyweight contender somewhere between the likes of Pulev and Kabayel, or whatever, he did a fine job, very good.
    But if we're judging him as an elite talent and major player, not really.

    Everyone, if they are being honest, would admit this.
     
  7. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    "At the end of the
    Dominated the rest of the match? Are you serious? This long post seems to be you trying to convince yourself more than anything else. (Yes I did read most of what you've said, before you say I'm ignoring the rest of your post).

    You seem extremely attached to defending your boy USYK. It amuses me when people get so attached to defending a particular fighter that they become this anal about it, and write an absolute essay over it in a stunning display of mental gymnastics. Your ego is so tied into your conviction that USYK is as good as you say he is.

    I do agree that those who were saying it could have gone either way are being ridiculous, Usyk clearly landed the better shots more often, but to compare USYK's performance tonight to the likes of Mayweathers points dominations of other fighters is being stupid. I think primarily because USYK, based on his reputation, should have looked a lot more comfortable, and I expected him to be far better at evading Chisora.

    Chisora did catch USYK numerous times throughout the fight with decent shots, and although I agree USYK still clearly won most of those rounds, I did expect more from him, because I think if Chisora can catch him as often as he did, the top 10 are going to be able to do so.

    I personally scored it 9-3 to USYK, but I am well aware that that not all of USYK's rounds were absolute dominations. Chisora was landing some decent shots, and to make it out like it complete domination after round 2 is ridiculous.

    Most of USYK's rounds were clear victories for him, but a couple of them were close.

    I gave 3 rounds to Chisora, and 2 that were close. So 5 rounds were Usyk was far from dominating.
     
  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    So let me get this straight, you scored it 9-3 in rounds he "clearly" won, after a few bumpy moments at the beginning and you wrote a small book excoriating me for saying he dominated the rest of the match?:lol: Okay. It seems like you were just going out of your way to find something to be critical about. Where did I ever say he looked like a million bucks? He dominated the rest of the match, because he clearly won the rest of the match. Did he ever look great, not necessarily, but as I stated, Del Boy is the worst possible style for him. That being said, he dominated Nistor and Briedis on points as well. It's just never easy to look excellent while fighting anyone who fights you in that style.
     
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  9. Serge

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    Sounds like Usyk might be parting ways with K2. Apparently there was an in issue with Chisora's gloves before the fight (not enough padding and his team weren't allowed to inspect them from the inside for some reason) and he didn't know the size of the ring and specifically how small it was until just before the fight. He said he trains in a small ring but he feels this is something his manager/promoter Alex Krassyuk aka the Head of K2 Promotions should've had covered and that it's his responsibility to have his back in these situations.

    Also I think he realizes that even though Hearn promotes him he doesn't necessarily want him to win. He doesn't seem bothered by this and it was the interviewer who brought it up, but I did say before the Chisora fight that Hearn might try and stitch him up with a small ring because if he's out of the picture it makes an AJ vs Fury unification match up for all the belts that much easier to make and he knows Usyk isn't going to step aside like he wants him to. Also he might feel Usyk stands a good chance of beating his golden goose AJ.

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  10. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Man usyk is special. He fills out like a true heavyweight not a feather fist like Chris bird. He has height and superb ring IQ. It seems like he carried his power up too. But man it's all about the movement and the footwork and the conditioning, he has those all. Not to mention he's a southpaw. His agility will clown all these big mofos and I was very impressed with what I saw out of him.
     
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  11. Boomstick

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    Wow. You really feel strongly about this. He seemed slightly surprised in the beginning, fending Delboy’s bull rush off. He never really seemed panicked or anything, just wary.

    There was no way Chisora could fight him on even terms, and I think Usyk knew that. Once he had blunted his attack, and Chisora had failed to catch him early, it was pretty much a done deal. It ended up fairly close points wise, iirc, but Usyk was the clear winner.

    I would say the lack of power, and the inability to really keep a guy of Chisora’s level off of him until he tired is concerning. Meaning against someone with more in the tank, with better skills and/or power will be a tough day at HW.

    That’s no surprise, as it would be the case for just about everyone at HW, and not too many guys have that skillset at HW. It’s just more of a concern for a guy like Usyk who lacks power at HW, so would have to be just about perfect for 12 rds to win. He’s got the skills, so as long as his chin holds up, it’ll be fun.
     
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  12. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    The first 3 rounds were close, but once Chisora slowed, Usyk took over. Usyk will do just fine at heavy. I have no doubt about it.
     
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  13. FastSmith7

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    What the ****, this fight was over a month ago?!?!?!?! Damn, time flies.
     
  14. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh man... if Briedis was 5-6 years younger he could cause some problems at HW...
    Very strong jaw, elite combinations, great defense, good speed, fantastic ring IQ... he would probably be top 5, still could be.
    I geniunely believe that a fully fit Gassiev, Usyk and Briedis are top 5 at HW, the only question being if they can beat Fury and Joshua.
     
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  15. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk fought a bad style match up in chisora and still beat him pretty clearly.
    Fun fact : chisora gives everyone hell. Only tyson fury beat chisora in better fashion than usyk. Now think about that.
    The rest went life and death against him, besides David haye
     
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