A HOPKINS WIN VS JOE AT (43) is better than ANY OF FLOYDS WINS!

And recently doesn't have anything comparable to a totally dominant Calzaghe victory.:yep

Beating an equally past it, sloppy and inactive DLH at 115-113ish sure doesn't beat a potenital blow out.

 

But what about Hatton? He was undefeated

 

All the all time greats in AMERICA are American not outside America,people elsewhere dont regard American boxers as any better than top boxers elsewhere,its just you have Vegas money to dictate the rules of the game.Thanks for confirming the insular and ignorant Americancentric view point that your country is famous for.Its not a fact Calzaghe losses,not unless your Marty Mcfly.

 

Mikkel Kessler was an undefeated vastly superior fighter to both the 140 and 147 versions of Hatton, 147 version being the one Floyd fought.

Who else has Floyd beaten lately? Baldomir and Judah.

Judah's a fair win, but I'll take an undefeated domination of Lacy over that one anyday of the week being that Judah has A level skill and ability, but C level mentality and Floyd struggled with him early.

Then the Floyd heads will say 'but he's not a natural Welter'.

No ****, but he's been at 140 and over for the last 4 years and has done a cherry picking routine at it's finest and P4P judges them on how they are at the weight. Just because he did a lot from 98-2004 doesn't mean it has any relevance to 2005-2008, which has been his P4P #1 reign.

If Roy went up and got KTFO by Ruiz, he'd have lost his P4P #1 spot for sure, the difference is that he made a bigger jump than Mayweather's ever made against a HW titlist and won 11-1.

 

I was kidding about the Hatton win; it doesn't rank as high as Cotto's wins over Quintana, Judah, and Mosley for me. Hell, I rank Margarito's domination of Kermit Cintron higher, simply because Hatton is completely ineffective at 147. He's an afterthought at the weight. Yet people are going to say he deserved the fight more than, let's say, Shane Mosley, who made easy work out of Luis Collazo.

The fact of the matter is that Floyd needs to fight a top threat soon, or he'll be kicked off of the number one spot in the P4P rankings. People are catching on to this. You can't fool the true fans who know the in's and out's of the sport. Floyd's cherry picking and it's so damn obvious. De La Hoya II? Hatton II? Who the **** cares? If he calls himself a champion, he should act like one, and that means fighting Miguel Cotto. If he wins, massive props. If he loses, which he would, at least he took on the best. And history would be kinder to him, even in defeat, than they would be if he never faced Cotto. Fans would respect him even more, too.

Whatever the outcome, it's amazing to see Bernard Hopkins taking on Joe Calzaghe at 43 years old. He cherrypicks now to an extent, but at least the old guy is willing to face the very best. If he had Mayweather's mentality, he'd be fighting Roy Jones or Felix Trinidad again.

Hopkins clear victory, Calzaghe dominant victory > Any of Floyd's wins

 

I agree completely with this.

I have P4P #1 vacant for a fighter that truly deserves it, I have Calzaghe/Pac/Mayweather/JMM basically as interchangable for the 2-5 spots and have Calzaghe/Mayweather personally at a tie for #2.

If he lost, it's just that, a loss against a guy with a tremendous style advantage a few divisions up from your best weight. No. Big. Deal.

The only thing it would do is end this thought that Floyd has been unbeatable in the current game and would lose to many ATG's over his best weight of 130, where he was also a massive 130 pounder.

It's excellent, Bernard has balls. It's also good to see that Team Calzaghe made the fight work also, even though Hopkins is aged, what better debut at 175 could there be than a fight the PUBLIC ACTUALLY WANTED!!!

Correct, not Joe Calzaghe by any means.

A Hopkins decisive victory is definitely better than any of Floyd's wins, a Calzaghe victory dominant would be better than most of Floyd's wins, a total blowout definitely.

Seeing Hopkins' training camp and the way his former dominated opponents have recently done has me thinking he's still potentially potent if he brings his best, we shall see. At the very least, I think he's a top 4 LHW, just not a P4P top 10 anymore.

 

I watched Castillo 1 and 2 also Brooklyn and while Floyd was throwing more combinations in those bouts and standing his ground better, he had basically the same speed as he's had at 147-154, just was physically strong enough to take more chances and threw more combinations.

A guy like Duran at 135 would have murdered Floyd, holy ****. Castillo really won that first fight and still was competitive in the 2nd.

Floyd is the type of guy who gets criticised for opposition, but also gets the benefit of the doubt about his opposition from most sources. I can't think of any top ATG that would have struggled so with Castillo at their very best. Castillo was so slow, very accurate and hard as hell to break, but ready to be peppered at the same time.

Mosely and DLH were much faster than Floyd at 135-147... much faster.

 

This win is gonna cement him as a top 30 ATG. :yep

 

Well its just like if someone was claiming they were the best and no one disagreed, in order to say you were the best you have to beat that person. American boxers claim they are the best and no one is contesting that so european fighters must come here and win in order to be placed among the best, at least thats how i feel. Im not sayin calzaghe is not good because hes damn good and hes an ATG whether he fights here or not, but his spot will not be cemented on that list unless he comes here to america and wins.

 

You speak the truth so many people refuse to hear!:happy