A jack of all trades and master of most of them

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  1. BoppaZoo

    BoppaZoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ha obvoiusly you never watched his amatuer fights. He is far from one dimensional to say the least.

    He could box or turn it up when it came to power. he outboxed slick southpaws and always caught them napping.

    I cant believe you think Kostya is one dimensional.

    does this look one dimensional to you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEV9dyIYwI4

    And his record speaks for it self against Slick Southpaws to Powerful Orthodox fighters.
     
  2. Manassa

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    Jimmy Carter is the best example I can think of. I don't agree with picks like Ray Robinson or Roberto Duran - they don't strike me as Jacks of all trades - far too talented, far too good in certain areas. Jimmy Carter wasn't spectacular in any field; he was just very good fundamentally and solid all-round, and that's what made him such a good fighter.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Good choice.

    A man who outboxed the middleweights/light heavyweights and outslugged the heavyweights.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tyszu isn't master of all trades though. Things he isn't good at:

    Defense - hes not hard to tag and is pretty much a take a punch to land a punch type of fighter. Ricky Hatton, Phillips, Mitchell, Judah, Hurtado all had no problem teeing off on him

    Pressure - he can't deal with pressure because he can't maintain a high workrate himself

    Speed - he can be a little slow of hand and foot

    He can box very well, counter excellently, he has great power, he can seek and destroy, he can pressure boxers well too.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    My most complete jack of all trades

    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Duran
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Duran could certainly do it all, what could he not do? Speed, Power, Defense, Countering, Footwork, Pressure, Front Foot, Back Foot, Box. He could do it all.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Roy Jones Jr. was a good candidate in his prime. He could box on the outside, punch and get guys out of there, and utilize quality ring generalship at all times.
     
  8. Blacc Jesus

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  9. Manassa

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    Where did I say he couldn't?
     
  10. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe Gans, Jose Napoles, Ezzard Charles, Ray Robinson and from the modern fighters Rafael Marquez maybe not as much as the others but still has a variety of trades.
     
  11. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Barney Ross of couse.
     
  12. SgrRyLeonard

    SgrRyLeonard Active Member Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Marco Antonio Barerra, Terry Norris, Marvin Hagler, Lennox Lewis, Carlos Monzon, Erik Morales
     
  13. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was going to mention Lewis, he seemed to be able to fight several different styles. Aggressive against Grant, Golota, Ruddock, Outbox and control distance against Holyfield, Tua, systematically breakdown a fighter as was the case with Tyson, and go into the trenches, Mercer, V.K.

    Duran was also extremely versatile, as was Hagler, Barerra, and many others.
     
  14. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree that Duran was not quite a jack of all trades. I agree less with Robinson not being one. What couldn't Robinson do?

    As for Carter, he did indeed have sound fundamentals and was indeed solid. His issue was one of committment. And it was a big one.
     
  15. The Whaler

    The Whaler My dog be thorough. Full Member

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    I always thought a jack of all trades was someone who was decent at everything, but not great at anything. Robinson was great at many things.

    I think you could say Larry Donald was a jack of all trades heavyweight. Average height, average power, decent at everything, but nothing really stood out.