A-Level Boxer Will Always Beat A-Level MMA Fighter

She KO'd her with a kick, yet didnt use any MMA?

Also Holm has been an MMA fighter for 4 years.

Its like saying Rousey isnt an MMA fighter, shes a judoka.

Two MMA fighters with different backgrounds fought.

 

Well it proved that RR is a limited skill fighter, with terrible stamina and dumb fighting IQ.

 

Mma fighter will all around good skill in boxing, kickboxing, jits, and wrestling vs a fighter who is great in judo with a good armbar but average in everything else.

No comparison.

 

That is the rare case of an all around fighter like GSP, Jon Jones or Silva. Holm now showed that she belongs in that category by using all of Rousey weaknesses against her, mainly her stamina.

Everyone else is one trick ponies with no adjustment skills.

 

1) She KO´d her with a KICK

2) Holm fought like an MMA stylist, not like a Boxer (even Laila Ali stated so in the clip postet in other thread), she had a very good takedown defence, which she DID NOT LEARN in boxing.

3) read my post from an other thread:

Even if i like Boxing more than MMA, can´t agree with that.

Take a prime Fedor vs any A level HW boxer of the past or present in an MMA fight, i don t see anyone as 50-50 or favorite against him (only Tyson if he uses biting street fighting techniques in his ar$enal :hey)

Scale 1-10,

Ronda:
Punching: 4
Kicking: 1
Footwork (Closing the gap etc.): 3
Takedown: 7
Grappling in standing position: 9
Groundgame: 10

Fedor:
Punching: 7 (HW boxers have 9 or 10)
Kicking: 5
Footwork: 8
Takedown: 10
Grappling in standing position: 9
Groundgame: 10

Ronda doesn´t have a real stand up game and very weak footwork (way to slow).
That s her great weakness and Holly exposed it.
Her judo and submission is great...but judo + sub without great wrestling (takedowns etc.) and closing the gap is not complete.

But it doesn´t change that - in my opinion the greatest MMA fighter to this day - Fedor, would be my favorite against ALL Boxing HW Champs, becaus his only "weakness" is kicking, but he don´t need kicks.
His closing the gap, takedown and groundgame would be too much for any HW to handle.

The only HW in history who would be able to give him troube to catch would be the prime Ali because of his unique footwork in HW...but the question would be how much he could hurt him with his punches (Fedor has no iron jaw, but no glass as well).


Otherwise:
Prime Mike Tyson in a big octagon vs any Gracie would be much closer than most MMA/UFC fans think. Because the Gracie´s have the same weakness as Ronda (worse striking, no great takedown and no great footwork agility). Mike would have a very big chance to take this (i always thought that, but the MMA fanboys never agreed).



Conclusion:

- An A level boxer/karateka/judoka/teakwondoin/muay thai etc. etc. can beat an A level MMA fighter in an MMA fight...but not more than 2 times in 10 matches.
Vica verca an A level MMA fighter the same when he tries to beat a Boxer in Boxing, Karateka in Karate etc.

- Ronda is no Fedor (like i wrote above Fedor would beat any A level traditional stylist in an MMA fight don t matter if it s Tyson, Ali, Schilt, Aerts, etc.)


To me was and is the BEST FEMALE MMA fighter a woman name Cris Cyborg. I always thought she would beat Ronda.
And if Holly should fight her, you gonna see a complete MMA fighter (Cyborg) vs a pure striker.

Cyborg = Fedor
Ronda = Gracie (grappling great, striking not)
Holly = Cro Cop (striking great, grappling not)

 

I didn't see a boxer in that fight.

I saw 2 MMA fighters.

Try again.

 

THIS ^ :yep

The only way for the boxer to have a chance is to become an MMA fighter through cross-training. The same as Holm did. :deal

 

No doubt these goons will post up the video of sparring with Lebedev.

Fact is is that MMA'ers NEED to use Boxing due it being a part of their training. So when they exchange JUST hands with a world class boxer, they are OBVIOUSLY going to come up second best.

Now if you did out Fedor (in his prime) against ANY Boxer, he'd kill them. And he'd probably damage their health in one way or another for good.

Using your hands IN A FIGHT is just one part of the puzzle.

 

I very much agree with your post.

Boxing is a great base for becoming a MMA fighter from. One could concievably train just boxing and wrestling and be a pretty good MMA guy if you excel at both disciplines. But it's still just one aspect ...

 

I agree with this as long as the boxer has great movement and isn't a old fat slow stiff like Toney. The boxer must be able to move and control range. The problem is there is usually more money in boxing for elite fighters than there is in the UFC so why would they want to fight there, while still prime? The only reason would be just to prove a point.

 

Holy moved like an MMA fighter. Her footwork resembled that of Lyoto Machida (karate/jujutsu) or Alexander Gustaffson (boxing, kick boxing, wrestling/jujutsu). Holy took tools straight out of the Jon Jones kit (Muay Thai) such as oblique kicks which destroyed Ronda Lousey's legs and messed up her already horrendous footwork even more. It only took an elbow (also Muay Thai) to stun Lousey and bust her lip open which she wasn't able to recover from again throughout the rest of that fight. The only boxing I seen from Holm is the jab, cross, setting up traps, her use of range and distance and a little bit of head movement.

Lousey Stood in front of her all night and kept getting hit in the face. Holy took some shots of her own. With Holms boxing experience I'm surprised Lousey was even able to land some punches on her. Remember that Holm began her career as a kick boxer in an MMA gym under MMA trainers. If I'm not mistaking that same gym is where she trained throughout her boxing career as well. Ronda Lousey abandoned her Judo long before this fight also. Holy's win has very little to NOTHING to do with boxing. It was an MMA fighter against another MMA fighter. Plain and Simple.

 

She won because she learned in MMA to control Rhondas ability to throw her. That takes practice and attentiveness. Why are you people so stupid?

 

The Zuffa cheer squad members on here need to ask themselves if Holly never made professional career runs in kickboxing or boxing but rather instead was bred and raised in MMA ...would her striking be nearly as good?

I'll help you out...
There's several veteran MMA women under UFC umbrella who look like they have no clue how to move their feet or slip strikes. Thus, this sudden idea that Holm became a such a sharp, defensively responsible striker thru MMA work is one of the most ridiculous theories the MMA community has pulled out of its asss!

 

The self proclaimed boxing fanatics all over the goddamn internet are making embarrassing attempts at trying to claim the success of a mixed martial artist as a "win" for boxing. These boxing "fans" are the ones looking more and more like Zuffa cheer leaders every passing day.

The gym Holy trained in throughout her career from day one IS an MMA gym. NOT a boxing gym. She also began training as a kick boxer. NOT a boxer. She's significantly more battle hardened than Ronda Lousey and somehow still managed to get hit. Sure, the boxing/kick boxing experience helped a ton in becoming a dominant striker but it also becomes a much less crucial element once you start throwing other things in there like knees, elbows and grappling. All of which Lousey should of been able to do better (minus the boxing itself) and none of which she was able to execute.

Watch that fight again and you'll see Holy moves NOTHING like a boxer and resembles the likes of Alexander Gustafsson and Lyoto Machida. If you wanna take it a more logical step further you can say her movements were much closer to Ryan Bader than Jermaine Taylor.

Women's MMA AND women's boxing is a **** poor gauge of knowing if an A-Level boxer can beat an MMA fighter primarily because of the super low level of talent existing within them. That alone speaks volumes about the self proclaimed boxing fanatics and their trying to claim an MMA fighters success as a victory for boxing. Secondly, there are MMA fighters in the MMA men's division that have striking to levels that are aeons beyond Holy Holm in any sport she was involved in. Don't believe it? Try TJ Dillashaw, Stephen Thompson (both having way less than 1/3 of Holy's experience), Gregard Mousasi, or Lyoto Machida. Only one of those four ever trained kick boxing and none probably ever stepped foot in a boxing gym.

The point I'm trying to make here is to let MMA be MMA and let boxing be boxing. Holy Holm's is an MMA fighter. She does boxing, kick boxing and grappling. All which contributed to HER success and has little to nothing to do with boxing. There's no victory for boxing here and there's nothing for boxers or boxing fans to feel threatened about. Move on.

 

In this situation the way to beat RR was with boxing skills (wasn't even boxing per see).

Movement and counter striking was the key as Judo relies on hip tosses to gain a take down. That means you need to get in close so a good mover and counter striker has the advantage.

If RR was a wrestler then it may have been for different as they can take down from a distance.

If there is a re match I would imagine RR will be working on non Judo takedowns...

I must admit it was nice to see RR eat some humble pie about boxing just make sure this forum doesn't eat the same in reverse with these types of threads..