A little advice for me on my Greb book

he says that dempsey often lied. in other words, dempsey was a liar. he also tries to say its normal for people to be liars. which is an insight into klompton himself. look nearly half way down the page.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84410&page=3

 

Right. I think it's about time we ended this though. As far as I can see, you two just have disagreeing views on Australian and American boxing. It will be very difficult for either of you two to prove each other right or wrong.

It'd be different if both parties were neutral and unbiased but that is obviously not the case. Nationalities clashing can be very ugly as we have seen. In that case I'm lucky to have never had a half-decent boxer come out of this country.

 

ok. you asked if klompton called dempsey a liar, i provide you with evidence.

so what the **** is that you wrote above???

 

mate. he's stated he is writing a book about history. yet he calls people like darcy, dempsey jack kearns, darcy niland, and many others, liars!!!!.

if he's prepared to put his dribble out in public, i, or anyone has the right to critisize what he has written. especially when he is adding opinion to his work, not fact.

 

I asked, you answered, I advised you on what to do next. The deal is, losing your calm on other parts of this forum is probably acceptable, but on here it makes you look a fool even if you have a valid point of view. So try not to lose your calm and present your argument properly without degrading down to petty personal insults.

You will not have many supporters on here if you continue on with this. Regardless of whether you're right or wrong.

 

I personally would think it abnormal to meet someone who has not lied, in fact, it would be damn right scary!!!

After the comic relief, about the thread:

If the book is purely an ego trip (in the good sense), and money is no object, do not worry about anything.

If you are looking to write something for critical acclaim and/or recover some/all of your expenses, I personally would be very worried that I was reading my own work, without feeling the need to be self critical.

I would suggest you find a friend, who will give an honest opinion and ideally is not a fan of the sport, just so you know that you have got the flow of the book right.

 

supporters!!!!!:rofl

you think i give a **** about 'supporters'!!!atsch

fair dinkum, you blokes are pussies. you shave and **** in your own bathtub. and when one of your own, slanders an all time great, your own national hero, you jump in that same filthy bathwater with him!!

us aussies, we defend our heros, because they deserve it. we know they deserve to be defended because we respect the ideals, and judgement of the generations of aussies that went before.

skumdon called dempsey,, d'arcy niland, and a heap of others, liars. you may put up with that ****, but dont expect us to. and yes, skumdon is on my list for a good while.

 

I expected this type of response. I'm not from the US but an obscure country named Finland where no great boxer has ever come from so I feel I'm rather neutral on this subject. I'm giving my opinion on what has been going on and at this point can be hardly ignored as it has been spilling all over the forum.

What I'm seeing is an argument that could be competitive and fruitful to the viewers, that has unfortunately turned into a nationality issue.

You cannot say that some of the Australians haven't provoked klompton into making some of the statements he has with a frequent use of personal insults. It's not a bad thing to defend your heroes but you can do it while backing up your argument with solid facts and by staying within the subject. There is no reason to get too emotionally invested in an argument about boxing.

This is likely going to fall on deaf ears but I advise you to think about it as it's coming from an unbiased party that has had his own differences of opinion with klompton.

 

no, it goes to the very essence of you as a write or pretend historian. because when you slander, and call so many of the people you want to source as evidence or quotes, liars, then what i have written fits neatly in your 'book promotion' thread.

mate, you want to be controversial, then expect some critisism. you cant go calling jack dempsey a liar, then expect to write a book about boxing history without being personally under the microscope. how does it feel like being a bug?

 

Sallywinder, you have raised the bar on emotional, bitchly behavior.




Congratulations.

 

well, site some REAL evidence of jack dempsey lying....

 

well, all these people back in that time, agree with dempsey..so they are all liars right? so that means you cant quote any of them in your 'book'...
Lawless:
Tunney:
Kearns:
Niland:
Bob Laga:
Swanwick:
Fenton:
Park:
Dyer:
Clabby:
Coady:
Smith:
Costica:
Holland:
Rickard:
Fitzsimmons:
Foley: