A Little Elucidation: Middleweight Is Not A Weak Division, In Fact.. Its Quite Strong

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CST80, Aug 20, 2015.


  1. PRINC£

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    Huck was a weak champion and long overdue a loss.

    You have exciting guys like Deveryanchenko (yeah i cant spell his name) coming through but there are no proven elite guys fighting at CW
     
  2. PRINC£

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    I am European, just like to keep things 100
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    There you go with the Champions again.:verysad

    Just because the top guy avoid taking serious challenges it doesn't men the division is weak, if that was the case you could say the same thing about Light Heavyweight.

    Cruiserweight has one of the most solid top 15's your gonna find in any division. Drozd, Makabu, Chakhkiev, Lebedev, Usyk, Kudryashov, Glowacki, Gassiev, Hernandez, Ramirez, Wlodarczyk, Masternak, Dorticos, Mchunu, Shumenov, Briedis etc.
     
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  4. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Those names are more popular only because HW is a more intriguing division in general. They're not p4p better than top MWs.

    Golovkin
    Cotto
    Canelo
    Lee
    Quillin
    Lemieux

    P4P better.
     
  5. junkhead

    junkhead My dogs watch me post Full Member

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    Honestly I think CST has shown so many times on this forum that he has some of the best all around boxing knowledge. Always has a good in depth thread and doesn't speak detrimentally about many boxers, like a true fan should. Keep it up.
     
  6. PRINC£

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    C'mon man, no way are those guys better p4p. 2 of them don't even fight at 160!
     
  7. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, they're fighting for the MW title. P4P order:

    Wlad
    GGG
    Canelo
    Cotto
    Povetkin
    Lee
    Quillin
    Wilder
    Lemieux
    Fury
    Joshua
     
  8. Steve_Fox

    Steve_Fox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you cant say this with a straight face.

    mw is weak division. you are only hyping it because you are a golov****
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It has absolutely nothing to do with GGG, I think Ward would beat GGG, would a Golov**** say that?
     
  10. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Stopped reading after canelo. When you need to talk about a guy that hasnt actually fought a single fight in this division to defend this division, that means that this division is SH.....t

    The only worthy boxer in this division is ggg, great footwork, great technique, great intelligence and, obviously, great power. But, you will never convince me that guys like macklin or monroe jr or ishida or geale or jacobs, or lemieux or even murray are top level fighters. No, that's not going to happen. I'm not blind.
     
  11. This division just broke ticket records at MSG! Neither of the combatants in question are native to that arena's country of residence either :lol:

    That's not weak to me! Neither is that type of punching power! Only thing weak about it are the tepid faceless internet warriors doing the rounds with the lamest play on name putdowns I have ever read! Great fight this ;)
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Well maybe you should have kept reading because I didn't mention Ishida, Macklin, Geale or Murray.
     
  13. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Lol, you mention a lot of unproven prospects. In your list is monroe jr, the man of the six kos, nothing more to say about him, really hard to achieve that 28% ko ratio, not every boxer can, ask ishida, as soon as you make a mistake you knock someone out and suddenly you are at 30% ko ratio messing your record up.

    Good fight jacob's last fight :good top fighter, no doubt (irony). Mora too, rolf.

    Ndamn, what a fighter, it's a pitty his defense is S H T. Average footwork, bad intelligence. Great heart, nothing more.

    Lemieux, bad footwork, bad intelligence, average chin, average stamina, really bad technique, awful defense. He's going to be crushed in his next fight. Great power, but his power comes from commiting really hard on his punches (too much, he loses even his balance sometimes) and no dosification of his stamina, any counter puncher can destroy him, golovkin will, actually.

    Canelo can destroy and tear appart every single name in that list but ggg. Incredible fighter, but sorry, he has never fought at mw. You will have to wait to put his name on the list. As I said, his name on the list says a lot about how desperate you were trying to find someone worthy in this division appart from ggg.

    And they are among the best of the division. Quillin, lee.... average at most, nothing special, and I mean NOTHING special in them.

    Who else, oh! lots of fighters that fought who? that fought no-one. You can say they are good because they haven't fought enough to say they are bad. Most of them unknown even for boxing fans unless they are really really really really top notch hard hardcore fans.
     
  14. CST80

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    You're a fan of Rigondeaux right? What do you think about the Super Bantamweight Division?

    Personally I think its a very very weak Division once you get past the top 3 guys. Frampton, Quigg and Rigo. Santa Cruz is heading North and Donaire is on the downswing, there's a few flawed Murray/Lemieux like contenders like Wake, Avalos and Hernandez, and a few interesting prospects like Omori, Socarras, Pagara, Diaz and Vargas. But beyond that its weak as hell.

    Yet why is it that no one incessantly points out how Rigo is the king of a ailing division that had already been cleaned out by Donaire? Oh no he's a P4P contender that should never leave the top 10.

    But the reality is Rigo has had one good opponent, and judging by his lackluster performance against Mathebula who was destroyed by Kiko soon after and his subsequent terrible performance against a decrepit Vic, Donaire may have very well been ripe for the picking.

    And as much as you want to throw off on the Lemieux's Lee's and Quillin's at Middleweight they are light years ahead of the likes of Amagasa, Kokietgym, Agbeko and Marroquin, oh but that's right the whole division is scared of Rigo, which is why he can't get anyone to fight him that's any good, sound familiar? Only Super Bantamweight isn't close to the level of Middleweight in terms of decent guys and future prospects.
     
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  15. walk with me

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    i feel bad you wrote this entire thing.... the middle weight division is TRASH. go outside