A Lukewarm Look At The Rumble In The Jungle (One sided?)

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  1. Journeyman92

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    I wouldn’t call stunning someone with a flush right hand “minor damage” but that’s your stance I guess? I’d call minor damage jabs, light punches from the clinch (pretty much all Foreman lands in this round) slapping sort of arm punches and cuffing blows etc…. Anyways MA STUNS Foreman with a right a hard scoring shot by any metric it visibly shakes him up (he’s stunned) it was weighty and Foreman winds up in a literal hugging position (go to 20:35 lol) before Ali circles out to resume punching? We agree? Whilst he’s circling out MA literally breaks out of it… that’s why the clinch doesn’t last long… watch what happens AGAIN MA rough houses Foreman with a hand behind his head and throws GF off balance whilst GF’s got his arms wrapped around him in the hug posture how tf can’t you see that? lol. You can’t be this heels dug in over the literal first exchange in clear quality this is ridiculous.
     
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  2. Showstopper97

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    I've seen it (slowed down also) & I still think you're reaching. You're fishing for things that aren't there (i.e Foreman hugging, being hurt). It was a good shot, but Foreman clearly wasn't hurt nor did he intentionally clinch/hug. We'll agree to disagree. Address my next key points of the round.
     
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    Go away you contribute nothing, you’re here to cheerlead because you’re worried about getting rage bait banned stop sucking up and actually debate boxing.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Excuse me? Just because you're getting cleaned up by Showstopper doesn't mean I'm going to wear your angst and abuse. I'd be more worried about getting banned myself if i were you. You've been gobbing off at multiple fine posters in recent days (always via the same topic) and really making for some bad relations in here as well as bringing down the fine standards and integrity of the forum.

    I have zero interesting in discussing with you as has been clearly explained to you. Take your abuse elsewhere.
     
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    How about kick rocks Gestapo I’ll address it when I want so let’s be steady. We need to agree on a mutual version for this to work… Foreman was stunned (we agree) winded up in the hugging position (it’s right there on film do you deny it?) Ali breaks it by rough housing GF around (we agree) do you think this is correct? I am not reaching to say Foreman was stunned, Ali broke GF’s grip around his waist and knocked him off balance to resume fighting how so? I do not think GF was in danger of being stopped or badly hurt…. but it was a good punch enough to stun someone and there isn’t some shame in holding when there that close right afterwards, a punch happens in a wee moment, especially with someone that quick handed when you “blink” after being hit the follow up you might not see coming it was a sensible thing to do, whether he fell into his arms or not wrapping his arms around Ali was the right move.
     
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  6. ThatOne

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    Didn't George say Muhammad hit harder than he thought?
     
  7. ThatOne

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    Mike Casey, boxing historian, said Ali was basically unparalleled when it came to inventiveness in the ring. Like Smokin Joe said whatever you expect Ali to do he'll do something else.
     
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    Go away x2 you know what you’re doing, cut the victim narrative you’re a grown man :sisi1 it’s a sports forum “I have zero interesting in discussing with you as has been clearly explained to you.” So the reasonable guy you are you decide to skulk around my threads cheerleading people on? “Fine standards and integrity of the forum” listen to yourself. I’m enjoying discussing with @Showstopper97 we disagree but he’s at least willing to discuss boxing.
     
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  9. JohnThomas1

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    I do remember that.

    Ali also said this of Foreman, later on,

    “I taunt George. I goad him.. You ain’t got no punch, you phoney. George roars in like a mob. He’s throwing punches with tonnage I never thought a fist could carry. A crowbar in George’s right hand crashes through my guard into my head, knocks me into the room of half-dream. My head vibrates like a tuning fork. Neon lights flash on and off.”
     
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    Don't quote me.

    Cheers
     
  11. Showstopper97

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    It was more Ali coming into Foreman's range, than Foreman trying to grab & hold. Foreman held briefly (mainly to try & gain control) & maybe because he was a bit stunned (I already conceded. This is getting old). Ali's arms also kind of push down Foreman's. That's all I'll say on this. There's several other points for you to address. Get to stepping.
     
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    “Ali lands the first punch - a straight right. No damage. (2:51)” yes well I’m glad I’ve changed your mind even in a minor way on a fight you’re so “well versed” with it’s the point of this debate after all… SO we agree Foreman held onto Ali however he got there after being stunned with a right hand, an improvement from “No damage” lol. I’ll get goose stepping soon comrade ShowStopper.
     
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  13. Showstopper97

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    Lol. A long time ago I watched this fight I initially said. Plus, the brief scuffle after the right hand landed, Foreman was literally unfazed & marched on towards Ali like nothing happened. The punch wasn't that significant in terms of damage.
     
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    Fine standards ? Integrity ? What forum are you logged into ? I want that version.

    You can tell the integrity left town ages ago and forgot to leave a forwarding address. But hey, it’s got character. Like a vintage car that’s been through every kind of abuse but still sputters along, mostly on fumes and bad decisions.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:
     
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