A Lukewarm Look At The Rumble In The Jungle (One sided?)

HBO one quality isn't as good as the one I linked, I'd use mine it's clearer.

It was an arm punch in the clinch, it did nothing guys throw them to no effect all the time. I wouldn't even score it as a judge.

To score that as even minor damage when at one point you were calling a flush right hand to the face "nothing" is total bs lol no offence.

Sorry, I guess I did miss that punch to the hip my bad easy to forget as it did nothing, it was a slapping punch to his hip bone.

Ali didn't land a right hand at 21:11 watch it again in better quality comrade, that's why it wasn't mentioned.

Yes Foreman landed another nothing punch in the clicnh near the hip.... below the belt again, not a scoring shot.

So far Foreman has landed just clinch punches you don't really score and shots below the belt (2)

Ali has landed every telling shot, all of the best blows, 3 stunning rights and a grazing left cross without checking to Foremans... clinching arm punches some of which are below the belt. So far one sided.

 

Brother I’m really sorry but you’re capping and actually scoring body punches… arm punches from the clinch more than a right hand lol “nothing” your words originally before I had to fight you on the very first exchange in this bout for a flush right but a little chode arm punch with nothing behind it “mild” lol that “hook” Foreman “lands” I don’t see it personally, not sure but if he did it looks like a slap with little effect the only good two punches Foreman lands this whole round are two good body shots that look decent… whilst Ali has him covered for visible damage, shaking George up stunning him multiple times with clear right hands lol walking him back to the ropes and manhandling him endlessly. I don’t listen to commentary, watch the Taylor vs Chavez fight for reason #1.

 

I’m not rewatching it to check atm I’m out - but answer this if you’d be kind? how many punches did Foreman land outside of clinching like John Ruiz and flailing with a free arm lol. Real shots no holding, list them… I count 2 debatably 3 decent scoring shots the whole round. Stamp them for me please comrade SS.

 

Yes I ask for them outside the clinch because those are scoring punches… what’s happening ain’t actual inside fighting, it’s what you do with your free hand before you’re separated lol… no judge in there right mind would score flailing shots some of which are below the belt… lots of points I guess if you value holding and hitting arm punches? ffs.

 

Ali clinches Foreman yes lol but that doesn't make shots where Foreman is holding or being held and hitting "scoring blows" its about damage done, that's the 1# criteria, Foreman is also hitting below the belt multiple times and he evidently is doing 0... you need to understand you can't land a good punch often in the clinch the way Foreman has been trying, it's been arm punches, Foreman is an arm puncher and as one you need room to work or punch hard, Louis used his hips in a way Foreman couldn't and it's why his hardest blows could be so short and GF's look so unsightly... anyway.

21:02 lol below the belt, not scoring, on the hip bone area no damage.

21:45 pause the video, you can see the the fist hitting Ali's left shoulder... but I'm just "bias" remember I was also debating that Ali didn't land a right hand at George at one point lol.

Ali's eyes opened up, he does this all the time, he was likely caught off guard "close one" literally 2 seconds later he leans out of the way of a hook doing the same thing... he does this heaps SS he was always theatric. If you want you can score it but you'd be reaching IMO declaring it as "damage"

22:51 when Ali threw that right hand it twisted his torso, the left hook Foreman threw due to it's arc wrapped around Ali's body and didn't touch down properly (It's a smart move) I suspect the right hand to the side of the head took some momentum out of it, glad I rewatched this scene actually, I had no idea Ali countered body shots that way - Foreman's follow up right hand looked good though.

22:57 I am not sure if he even touched Ali properly, Ali was very good at moving "with" a punch, even so that is the perfect example of "pushing a jab" again it doesn't really do anything, nothing like the right hands Ali has been stunning George with lol.

23:02 okay explain wtf that is meant to be to the class please lol.

23:05 Are you sure that even lands? his punch winds up past Ali's left shoulder? I can't tell, Ali's glove winds up in a similar position past Foreman's shoulder.

23:12 his jab get's caught in Ali's guard and winds up hitting him in the chest / chin area then he lands a right hand below the belt on the hip.

So Foreman MAY have landed... one good, undebatable right hand to the body and a left hook to the side of the head "maybe" he also at 22:57 pushes his head or might've jabbed badly lol. Ali on the other hand landed a bunch of right hands that visibly discombobulated George to varying degrees all through this round lol.

Shall we just score this one for Ali?

 

I love that the "goal post" has shifted from people accusing me of being a 60s-70s hater to a "Ali, Foreman, Liston, Norton" hater now I just hate Foreman and Norton apparently...? I've been told I am a "modernist" yet I think Joe Louis creams Holyfield, Wlad, Bowe and Ali... etc it's almost like I don't care about eras and have varying opinions on every fighter from all eras- I think Usyk beats Holy, I think Frazier beats Holy I think Holy beats Foreman but Chisroa could cause an upset on Frazier, I think AJ beats Norton but Norton's got good odds for Holyfiled and so does Mike Weaver and Archie Moore lol but Holyfield would stop AJ - Byrd might upset Ali, might upset Marciano and also Holmes (southpaw's were in short supply) but he still lost to Ibeabuchi and would have probably lost to guys like Chisora, Bowe and Kaba... that's boxing.