A mistake boxing fans keep making...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by LightsOutJack, Dec 6, 2014.


  1. LightsOutJack

    LightsOutJack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No matter how many times it causes them to fall flat on their face, there are just some stubborn boxing fans that can't accept a fighter's talent if they don't have any notable opponents...

    Guys like Keith Thurman and GGG, no matter how easily they dispatch lower-tier competition... No matter how much skill and talent they clearly have... Some people still have trouble imagining them beating guys like Tim Bradley and Miguel Cotto respectively...

    Not because of any legitimate style ****ysis of each fighter, but simply because of the surface level observation "He hasn't fought anybody..."

    Guillermo Rigondeaux was in the same situation back before the Donaire fight. Despite the fact that Donaire had been showing a stylistic decline (always looking for that 1 big shot), and despite the fact that the two time gold medalist CLEARLY had THE BEST footwork, THE BEST balance, THE BEST technique of just about any current fighter (Pac and May included)... Somehow people couldn't bring themselves to imagine that he had a chance...

    Why do you guys keep falling for it? Why can't you just learn how to properly ****yze a fight before making knee-jerk predictions and winding up with egg on your face?

    This isn't new, this has been happening for years... When are you guys gonna learn?
     
  2. LightsOutJack

    LightsOutJack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And I'm not talking about underdog situations like Tyson-Douglas, or virtual 50/50 fights like Garcia vs Matthysse...

    I'm talking about pre-fight predictions like the examples I gave...
     
  3. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Uhhh, I think the vast majority of people are currently predicting three G to beat Cotto. Now if Cotto were to crush Canelo you would see a respectable of amount of people thinking Cotto will beat three G but even then it still wouldn't be the majority, so not sure what you're saying there. And I believe Thurman could beat Bradley, agree there.
     
  4. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Keith Thurman is the next welterweight star. Ill say that now and bump it in 2 years time, when he holds all the belts.
     
  5. LightsOutJack

    LightsOutJack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe not so much here, but when I go to other social media outlets, e.g. Youtube comment sections and Facebook boxing forums, I keep reading the same BS about how "Cotto would school him because GGG hasn't fought anyone as good as him, he's been fighting nothing but bums, etc...

    I see more of those than I do the clearly more sensible prediction, but maybe that's just a coincidence...

    And not just Bradley, but also guys like Devon Alexander, and I've even seen Brandon Rios and Ruslan Provodnikov thrown in there as well...
     
  6. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, Kovalev v BHOP is another one.

    I think ppl are just haters. PERIOD.

    For instance.....Daniel Jacobs came back from cancer and has done well.....unfortunately, since he has come back, GGG has become the man at 160, and all those who were "Jacobs is an ATG" fans, now have to relent. So they jumped on Quillins c0ck, and we see how far that got em, ducking Korobov and 3X his career payday. Korobov FFS.

    They might hold to the Cotto theory simply b/c they KNOW that Miguel will NEVER fight GGG. He's scared to death of Golovkin and will gladly vacate, move to 154 for Andrade as his escape from GGG.

    That will leave Canelo fighting a random nobody like BJS for the WBC title, leaving GGG out in the cold cause he's already signed to fight a mandatory or already has a date and venue.:-(
     
  7. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal
     
  8. vegitotwo

    vegitotwo New Member Full Member

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    Well you have to consider that there are two types of untested fighters:
    a) guys who are avoiding tough competition
    b) guys who are being avoided by tough competition

    GGG and Thurman falll under "b", they're willing to fight anyone, but no one with a reputation to lose wants to fight them.
     
  9. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can understand when they underrate a guy with limited amateur experience, but people need to understand that guys like Rigo, Lomachenko, Ward, and GGG, have seen every style in boxing.

    Moreover, they've won against every style in boxing. Vast amateur experience, especially at the international and Olympic level, counts considerably towards a healthy career in boxing.

    Of course there are outliers, but from what I can tell, if you look at a guy like Zou Shimming for instance, the skills are there, but the power to gain his opponent's respect is not.

    If Ward, Rigo, GGG, or Lomachencko didn't have power, they could become champions, but they may never become elite.
     
  10. LightsOutJack

    LightsOutJack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When this argument gets brought up, they usually respond with the embarrassingly hypocritical "Nobody is avoiding him? Why would they fight a guy that's hasn't beat anybody... You have to understand, boxing is a business..." etc :patsch
     
  11. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Like the Cotto vs GGG argument.

    They KNOW Cotto will duck that fight. So they use Cotto's high profile as an excuse for him to move down and rematch Jr or fight Andrade.:-(
     
  12. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In the case of GGG, he's managed to win over a fair number of his doubters by dispensing with two solid contenders who used dramatically different styles in the ring. It's pretty easy to extrapolate future success for Golvkin based on the manner in which defeated Geale and Rubio.

    In Thurman's case, I think the manner in which he defeats a guy like Bundu- if he defeats a guy like Bundu- will be an indicator of just how good he really is.
     
  13. LightsOutJack

    LightsOutJack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Another example is Joe Calzaghe...

    Joe was a complete pariah from the UK, and even though anyone that knows anything about boxing technique could tell you that Lacey was waiting to get exposed by a superior technician... And even though I hate Joe, in hindsight that was a very stupid prediction for anyone to have made

    Don't discount people just becuz you don't know anything about them, and they haven't fought anyone you know
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I agree in hindsight it was really easy to see. I picked Donaire in that fight for various reasons mainly because Rigo was really unproven at the pro level and he was much smaller than Donaire. Usually I go with the more skilled and complete fighter but at that time Rigo was just too much of an unknown. I did the same thing in the Salido-Loma fight and that time I was right.

    Lastly people always underrate skills like defense and footwork and overrate power it happens time and time again. Power IMO is overrated and can be neutralized while good footwork and defense can't.:deal