A neutral and unbiased view of Ward/Kovalev

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  1. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    OP chose this because it's 3 neutral observers that also box, and all 3 had a different score. Point is to emphasize how varied one could have it. No robbery, just a close fight.
     
  2. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stop using logic and backing your posts up with research Serge!
     
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  3. kirk

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    Id like to think Im as unbiased as it can get for this fight. Maybe a little for Ward due to knowing of him longer... but... my thing is...

    When has there ever, in the long history of this sport, barring corruption, when has the champion ever LOST his titles to a challenger that he

    ~ threw more punches than
    ~ LANDED more punches than
    ~ had backing up throughout the fight
    ~ even knocked his challenger down

    And STILL lost his titles.

    So Ward did something nobody else has ever done, he boxed so brilliantly that he was out thrown, out landed, backed up and knocked down, all the while still 'dethroning' the champion. I dont buy it.

    Think of some controversial decisions, I bet you cant find one where the champion did all that and yet still lost in what otherwise was a close fight.

    You literally have to give ward every benefit of the doubt and every edge you can to have him winning 7 rounds, imo.
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    lol sorry
     
  5. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anybody can have an agenda.
     
  6. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mine has my 6 pm appointment on it.
     
  7. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you saying you only got one agenda?
     
  8. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I got one for my social life too.
     
  9. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    Hmmm...
     
  10. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nothing wrong with that.
     
  11. MUFA$A

    MUFA$A FEAR * THE * TANK Full Member

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    That's exactly why this fight was a robbery.

    Ward won 5 rounds.

    He did NOT win 7 rounds .

    I dont see how anyone can give Ward 7 rounds of that fight .

    6 rounds for Ward is debatable .

    That still would have Kovalev as the clear winner .
     
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  12. BCS8

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    Exactly this.

    Except for that you said it better than I did.

    It's tradition that the challenger has to "take the belts" and that any doubt ought to go to the champion. Seems like the opposite (and then some) was done in this one.

    I would have been PYSSED if I were Kovalev.

    He's been remarkably stoic about this, all things considered.
     
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  13. BCS8

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    My score, trying to be neutral, was exactly that. 7-5 to Kovalev, + the KD. If I wanted to be biased I guess I could give Kova round 11 and maybe 9 as well.
     
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  14. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your name is NAT TURNER. You have and agenda bro. And we all know what it is. But you can use my avatar as a reminder that any hope you had of forcing your agenda upon us is OVER.
     
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  15. Iron Gassiev

    Iron Gassiev Member Full Member

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    did u see the top comments with 20-30 likes???

    here
    "they say "it was very close, it could go either way"..........thats a lie, because when its that close , then the champ keeps the belts !"

    "kovalev won end of the story mothe****ers"

    "I had kovalev winning the fight. If they fight again, I see kovalev knocking ward out."

    "I get sick to my stomach when I hear people say Ward won. Kovalev won, we all know it"

    "kov won the fight you have to beat the champ convincingly to be crowned the new kov won got the knockdown"

    "Mother****ers these guys... Kovalev won man! are you ****ing blind? Postfight interview Kovalev was really clear, he won most of the rounds, maybe not 3 or at most 4. And he speaks perfectly understandable english you ****ing moron..."

    "If it was as close as you say LOL - then why wasn't the champion awarded the fight? The champion is supposed to be given the benefit of the doubt in close fights. The challenger didn't show he could dominate. He was backing up most of the time. It was rigged. Ward lost and we all know it. Just look at his damaged face. Look as his tackling tactics that he wasn't even warned about. Maybe you guys were watching a different fight. The one I saw showed Kovalev a clear winner by at least three rounds"

    "What the **** these scouse ****s prattling about? I dont ****in care that Smith fought him. Ward ****in LOST.I watched this fight as ive watched boxing for over 30 years and i scored 116-112 to Kovalev with 2 rounds apiece.Tht tallies withHarold Lederman and the boxing fans.After all WE are the best judges."

    "Kovalev WON and I'm not even Russian or black so I'm unbiased in this fight."

    ""Ward landed the better shots" LMFAO Paul Smith WTF"

    "Experts my ass. Kovalev dominated. Ward was shook by Kovalev's jab and any right hand would send Ward to the canvas. In fact 2nd round he did send him down the canvas. Bloody stupid paid pundits. I am a neutral and like both fighters. Kov was robbed."

    "even in a close fight, the unified champ who scored a knockdown should win. these two ****s dont know **** about boxing"



    AND this is just 1 ****ing video, u can see the comments in all utube vids and its 99-1 in Kov's favour

    the people have spoken
     
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  16. drenlou

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    At the end of the day, you can make a case for both fighters winning. And that's that. Ward isn't a piece of ****, Kovalev wasn't robbed, so all you haters can stick it.